[Vision2020] Nightmare on Elm Street

Sat Apr 30 01:39:45 PDT 2016

Hi Roger,

President Ronald Reagan signed the Geneva Convention on Torture.  Bush, et
al. violated international law and they can be arrested just as Pinochet
was.  There is very good reason why they are not traveling outside the U.S.
and Canada.

As early as our brutal suppression of the rebels in the Philippines,
soldiers were prosecuted for water boarding.

Your defense of Bush, et al. is indefensible.

Nick

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 5:40 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> Bush as far as know has not broken any US laws, He should not be held
> liable for any foreign laws.  Hastert  should go to jail. It is a bit much
> to say he should be executed. Hillary should be charged and found guilty ,
> but since she is a democrat she won't be. Republicans who have committed
> lesser offences have gone to jail.
>
> Roger
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> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Nightmare on Elm Street
> From: "Nicholas Gier" <ngier006 at gmail.com>
> To: "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
> Date: 04/29/16 22:28:58
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> European jurists have let it be known that they will issue arrest warrants
> for George W. Bush and his closest associates charging them with war
> crimes. This is the reason why these alleged criminals are not traveling
> abroad. Canada appears safe for them, but perhaps the new liberal
> government will have different ideas.
>
> Under the legal principle of international jurisdiction, British
> authorities were compelled to honor a warrant for the arrest of the Chilean
> dictator Augusto Pinochet. The warrant was issued by a Spanish judge. The
> Brits set Pinochet free because of health reasons, but Bush and his
> henchmen will not have the same excuse.
>
> As president Hillary will be free to travel anywhere in the world, and she
> will be welcomed because of her extensive foreign contacts and the lack of
> any charges against her.
>
> What do you say about Bush's crimes?
>
> Awaiting your reply,
>
> Nick
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 7:56 AM, Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com
> <http://index.html?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=kmmos1@frontier.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Governance is a multilateral effort. Its effectiveness and efficiency
>> must be evaluated from multiple viewpoints.
>>
>> Hillary, for example, has more experience of governmental affairs which
>> may be evaluated and judged.
>>
>> Whether Hillary should have been allowed to have all of that experience
>> by those who knew, or should have known, of the nature and details of her
>> performances in various prior positions is another matter.
>>
>> Those chosen and elected are responsible to perform as well as they are
>> able, legally and morally.
>>
>> Those doing the choosing and electing are responsible to deny further
>> opportunities given illegal or immoral conduct.
>>
>> However much politicians may be disdained and dishonored, those who
>> re-elect them are no less dishonorable.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2016 9:25 PM, Debi Smith wrote:
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Debi R-S
>>
>> On 4/28/2016 6:45 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>>
>> Roger wrote: <Hillary should be in the federal pen>
>>
>> Roger - do you believe in innocent until proven guilty? If so, why do you
>> state that Hillary should be in the federal pen when despite her being
>> continuously watched under multiple investigative microscopes, she's not
>> been convicted of any crime let alone even been indicted on even the most
>> minor of infractions???
>>
>> Also, shouldn't former Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert be
>> executed?
>>
>> Without any reasonable doubt, Hillary has a by far a much richer resumé
>> of governing states and the country than any of the other presidential
>> candidates.
>>
>> -Scott
>>
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>> Hillary should be in the federal pen, but more than likely she will be in
>> the Whitehouse. Hopefully her coattails are short. Roger -----Original
>> Message----- Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Nightmare on Elm Street From:
>> "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at frontier.com
>> <http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen
>> at moscow.com <http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020>>
>> Date: 04/08/16 03:55:08 On 4/7/2016 4:26 PM, Tom Hansen wrote: Which begs
>> the question . . . When (not "If") Hillary Clinton Is inaugurated in
>> January, what will be Bill Clinton's official title? First Dude? Bill
>> Clinton's official title likely will be nowhere near as important as the
>> variety of roles in which he will participate. Unfortunately, I suspect
>> that the general public will be aware of fewer than all of them. The Obama
>> years may be remembered as uncomfortably under-productive considering the
>> opposing party's roles in the legislative branch, but a return of the
>> Clinton family to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue may turn out to be a painful
>> period of presidential potential unfulfilled if the opposing party
>> controlling the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue decides to insulate the
>> Executive Offices from significant achievement. Even worse is the prospect
>> of extended periods of formal legal combat between branches of the federal
>> government should the Clintons' ascendancy return. We've been there before;
>> the prospect of exchanging roles, editing the script lines, and performing
>> the revised play again to a captive audience causes at least as much
>> trepidation as excitement. Rather than a title, he may have an acronymic
>> nickname: Frosty - first reader of subpoenas to yield. (One suspects that
>> may be afflicted with sad - scalia acronym disease.) What is really needed,
>> of course, is a presidential candidate whose coat-tails are sufficiently
>> strong as to bring a cooperative federal legislature with him into
>> incumbency. Then the people's business may be more expeditiously
>> accomplished. Ken
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shall never sit in.

-Greek proverb

“Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.

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