[Vision2020] Nightmare on Elm Street
Kenneth Marcy
kmmos1 at frontier.com
Fri Apr 29 19:21:39 PDT 2016
Anyone who is under the impression that the Bush family is blameless
under law is invited to read and consider the following two books:
Just and Unjust Wars: A Moral Argument with Historical Illustrations, by
Michael Walzer
http://www.amazon.com/Just-Unjust-Wars-Historical-Illustrations/dp/0465052711
An audio version of Walzer's book is available from audible.com.
The Morality of War, 2nd Edition, by Brian Orend
*http://tinyurl.com/hnk4jll
*
Ken
On 4/29/2016 5:40 PM, lfalen wrote:
> Bush as far as know has not broken any US laws, He should not be held
> liable for any foreign laws. Hastert should go to jail. It is a bit
> much to say he should be executed. Hillary should be charged and found
> guilty , but since she is a democrat she won't be. Republicans who
> have committed lesser offences have gone to jail.
>
> Roger
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> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Nightmare on Elm Street
> From: "Nicholas Gier" <ngier006 at gmail.com>
> To: "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
> Date: 04/29/16 22:28:58
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> European jurists have let it be known that they will issue arrest
> warrants for George W. Bush and his closest associates charging them
> with war crimes. This is the reason why these alleged criminals are
> not traveling abroad. Canada appears safe for them, but perhaps the
> new liberal government will have different ideas.
>
> Under the legal principle of international jurisdiction, British
> authorities were compelled to honor a warrant for the arrest of the
> Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. The warrant was issued by a Spanish
> judge. The Brits set Pinochet free because of health reasons, but Bush
> and his henchmen will not have the same excuse.
>
> As president Hillary will be free to travel anywhere in the world, and
> she will be welcomed because of her extensive foreign contacts and the
> lack of any charges against her.
>
> What do you say about Bush's crimes?
>
> Awaiting your reply,
>
> Nick
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 7:56 AM, Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com
> <index.html?_n%5Bp%5D%5Bmain%5D=win.main.tree&_n%5Bp%5D%5Bcontent%5D=mail.compose&to=kmmos1 at frontier.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Governance is a multilateral effort. Its effectiveness and
> efficiency must be evaluated from multiple viewpoints.
>
> Hillary, for example, has more experience of governmental affairs
> which may be evaluated and judged.
>
> Whether Hillary should have been allowed to have all of that
> experience by those who knew, or should have known, of the nature
> and details of her performances in various prior positions is
> another matter.
>
> Those chosen and elected are responsible to perform as well as
> they are able, legally and morally.
>
> Those doing the choosing and electing are responsible to deny
> further opportunities given illegal or immoral conduct.
>
> However much politicians may be disdained and dishonored, those
> who re-elect them are no less dishonorable.
>
>
> Ken
>
>
> On 4/28/2016 9:25 PM, Debi Smith wrote:
>> Thank you.
>> Debi R-S
>>
>> On 4/28/2016 6:45 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>>> Roger wrote: <Hillary should be in the federal pen>
>>>
>>> Roger - do you believe in innocent until proven guilty? If so,
>>> why do you state that Hillary should be in the federal pen when
>>> despite her being continuously watched under multiple
>>> investigative microscopes, she's not been convicted of any crime
>>> let alone even been indicted on even the most minor of
>>> infractions???
>>>
>>> Also, shouldn't former Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert
>>> be executed?
>>>
>>> Without any reasonable doubt, Hillary has a by far a much richer
>>> resumé of governing states and the country than any of the other
>>> presidential candidates.
>>>
>>> -Scott
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Hillary should be in the federal pen, but more than likely she
>>> will be in the Whitehouse. Hopefully her coattails are short.
>>> Roger -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>> Nightmare on Elm Street From: "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1 at
>>> frontier.com
>>> <http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020>> To: "Tom
>>> Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com
>>> <http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020>> Date:
>>> 04/08/16 03:55:08 On 4/7/2016 4:26 PM, Tom Hansen wrote: Which
>>> begs the question . . . When (not "If") Hillary Clinton Is
>>> inaugurated in January, what will be Bill Clinton's official
>>> title? First Dude? Bill Clinton's official title likely will be
>>> nowhere near as important as the variety of roles in which he
>>> will participate. Unfortunately, I suspect that the general
>>> public will be aware of fewer than all of them. The Obama years
>>> may be remembered as uncomfortably under-productive considering
>>> the opposing party's roles in the legislative branch, but a
>>> return of the Clinton family to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue may
>>> turn out to be a painful period of presidential potential
>>> unfulfilled if the opposing party controlling the other end of
>>> Pennsylvania Avenue decides to insulate the Executive Offices
>>> from significant achievement. Even worse is the prospect of
>>> extended periods of formal legal combat between branches of the
>>> federal government should the Clintons' ascendancy return. We've
>>> been there before; the prospect of exchanging roles, editing the
>>> script lines, and performing the revised play again to a captive
>>> audience causes at least as much trepidation as excitement.
>>> Rather than a title, he may have an acronymic nickname: Frosty -
>>> first reader of subpoenas to yield. (One suspects that may be
>>> afflicted with sad - scalia acronym disease.) What is really
>>> needed, of course, is a presidential candidate whose coat-tails
>>> are sufficiently strong as to bring a cooperative federal
>>> legislature with him into incumbency. Then the people's business
>>> may be more expeditiously accomplished. Ken
>>>
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> "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
> Immaturity is the inability to use one's understanding without
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