[Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name

Mon Aug 4 06:39:30 PDT 2014

Wow and good morning to all the V-peeps!  Must be the heat and smoke making
you folks cranky and crazy.

I've obviously missed a ton of reading over the weekend...most of which
includes multiple posts about "changing the name" of the LISTSERVE.  A time
back, folks used to take the extended ninny-nit-picking-nuanced discussions
off-list and among those who were interested.

I'd rather read (or at least have an opportunity to read) a variety of
topics - and if only one member is taking the time to post such things,
then fine.  IMHO, that is preferable to seeing a non-stop string of whining
with very little variation in the whine about a single topic.

This group ebbs and flows, but how about returning to the intelligent
discussions, and fluffernutter ones, too, concerning all sorts of things.
I especially love seeing the Moscow/Latah/Palouse-centric stuff - doesn't
matter to me it if is news, politics, opinion, color, interest, recipes,
photos, whatever...

Please don't destroy a valuable connection here, by one or two of you
unhappy with certain posts.  I've found that most of us are open to a bit
of construction criticism and then self-censor when approached off-line.
Let's remember our manners, not just the rules alone.

Now, off to wage a war of words in a different county!

nc

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Debi,
>
> So is that the standard to ignore an agreement the rest of us made? Or
> does it excuse some of the things he posts?
>
> I am not trying to drive him away. I would like to see him follow the
> rules the rest of us try to follow out of consideration for this community.
>
> I appreciate the good things he does in the community, but I don't view
> that as a license to do anything he feels like doing.
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------
> From: debismith at moscow.com
> To: keim153 at gmail.com; lfalen at turbonet.com
> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 21:32:19 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
>
> Well, if ya'll have something to say, I suggest you say it. Tom posts
> community news, national info, and international info. You all never post
> unless you are hammering Tom.  Tom puts his *money *where his mouth is,
> supports local causes, and keeps the community informed. And you did
> F---ing what? Beat up Tom? Whoohoo for you....Until you all do the
> community service with the $$ to back it, I'm thinking you might just shut
> the ghekll up! Just sayin',,,Maybe I'm not aware of your contributions to
> the food bank, your assistance with diversity initiatives, your presence
> and filming at community events. I may not have seen you at local art
> shows, at food collection points, at anti- or-pro whatever protests, but
> Tom was there. At all of them. If he wants to post 290 times per day, so be
> it....you all don't post unless it is a response to Tom. Get a clue, dudes.
> It's so easy to lash back, but it is difficult to make a reasoned argument
> when faced with the facts Tom posts.
>
> Perhaps he can consolidate his posts, and perhaps some are too cute to
> appeal to you----you are grown-ups. Delete is an option.Get over yourself,
> post something substantial, be grown-ups for a minute!
>
> Tired of you Ninny Teas!  Who pours? The most "put out Ninny" of the "Tea
> Party"? Stop being assine if you want some credibility. Words too big for
> you? How about "Just Shut until up you have ANYTHING of substance to say,
> you Bozos"?
>
> Rant done...
> Debi R-S
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> *To:* lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> *Cc:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
>
> That s been my general policy, Roger.  9 posts before 9am?  C'mon!  This
> is not Tom's personal blog. Many of his posts would be perfect Facebook
> fodder-which he uses comparatively little.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have not checked the vision for a couple  of days, so have missed  some
> of this discussion. Granted Tom posts a lot, but if you are not interested
> just delete them. I delete most of the Farmers Market, Human Toll, and
> Christ Church Posts. I am hit and miss on Caturday. It depends on how much
> time I have. But in general like the posts. As a member of FIRE I advocate
> a free and open discussion. I post things from The Smithsonian, Scientific
> American, Discover Magazine, National Geographic, White Pine Native Plant
> Society, Stuff from Nutrition Publications and Food Safety. They are
> probably not of interest to lot of people. Hopefully they are to some. Use
> the delete key if you aren't interested
>
> Roger
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> To: "Darrell Keim" <keim153 at gmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: 08/02/14 11:51
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
>
>
> Good topic to bring up - thanks, Darrell!
>
> Well, that's one proposal.
>
> My proposal is that we all get back to honoring the idea of limiting our
> posts to three per day. Given the fact that there was a day in July when I
> myself didn't honor that, I realize I'm at risk of someone bringing an
> analogy about the pots & kettles to my attention <g>.
>
> However, the "try to limit your posts to three a day" has, for the most
> part, worked for years & years & years, and my hope is that it will work
> again because I'm attached to this name!
>
> I could be wrong, but I don't think most folks mind when individuals
> *occasionally* go over three posts a day when actually engaged in an
> active discussion, particularly about local issues. I also think folks are
> more tolerant when infrequent posters engage in actual discussions go over
> three posts in a day, whether about local issues or not.
>
> BTW, something *I* really miss are the discussions about *local* issues.
> Over time, they have become fewer and further between here, it seems to me.
> I know for me personally, I don't bring up many local issues anymore since
> I no longer subscribe to a local newspaper, so I'd appreciate learning
> about local issues I might otherwise be unaware of from discussion here.
>
> I think keeping to three posts a day should be something relatively simple
> to do, too. Since Darrell brought up Tom's posts, I took a look and Tom
> could pretty easily just combine things into one post. For instance, the
> three Farmer's Market posts today could have been combined into one, and
> the three mp3 posts could have been combined into one, yes?
>
> So, that's my vote: let's get back to trying to keep our posts to three
> per day.
>
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> Compassion is the basis of all morality.
> ~ Arthur Schopenhuaer
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>
>  *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of* Darrell Keim
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2014 10:41 AM
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Proposal: Change Listserv Name
>
>  I opened up my email this morning at 9am to 8 emails from Tom Hansen.
>
>  And the day is just getting started.
>
>  This made me curious.  How much does Tom post?  So I looked at
> yesterday: 7 emails.  Thursday: 8 emails.  I stopped there.
>
>  In light of this, I propose a name change.  Instead of "Moscow Vision
> 2020" I propose "Hansen's Moscow 24/7."
>
>  All in favor?
>
>
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