[Vision2020] Same sex marriage

[Joe Campbell]

Haven't; would. Joe



On Jul 18, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>  
> Have you ever preformed a gay wedding? Can you, and would you? In the State of Washington same sex marriage is now legal.
>  
> Donovan J. Arnold
> 
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> 
> Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage
> 
> Of all the things I've ever done in my life, performing weddings is
> the one thing I feel most comfortable doing. I'm not sure why but it
> always gives me a focus that I can't sustain in any other endeavor,
> even teaching (the second best thing I do). And all the weddings I've
> done so far were of the ho-hum variety. In spite of my recent
> experience, I still believe in the sacred sanctity of marriage as a
> blessed union of two becoming one. So feel free to pass my name and
> email along!
> 
> I've overstayed my welcome, so I'm off for the evening. I won't post
> when school starts and I'm thankful for this indulgence.
> 
> Best, Joe
> 
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I might have a job for you Joe.  My brother-in-law is getting married in
> > September in Lewiston and his fiance just posted this on Facebook 8 hours
> > ago:
> >
> > Well everything is coming along good for the wedding, but we need to find
> > someone to marry us. Does anyone know a anyone we could ask, we arent apart
> > of any church, but i dont know any ministers or pastors that will do it
> > without being part of the church, we are will pay. Any suggestions? Thanks
> > in advance!
> >
> > Like · Dislike · · 8 hours ago via mobile ·
> >
> >
> > Note that this is a ho-hum opposite sex wedding.  I was really hoping that
> > they would move their wedding later out in the month to Saturday September
> > 22 at night so I could catch the Idaho / Wyoming football game when I come
> > to town.  But the two of them tend to not give me the time of day, so I
> > think they're just going to do what's in their own selfish interest. :)
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:52:20 -0700
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage
> >> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> >> CC: godshatter at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >
> >>
> >> Good post. I'm sorry but I'm in a "philosophical" mood, so I've got to
> >> challenge everything.
> >>
> >> Is there anyone who thinks that "churches should be forced to perform
> >> same sex weddings against their beliefs"? Suppose you want to get
> >> married by a Catholic priest. I image that one might accommodate you.
> >> But does that force anything upon the Catholic Church?
> >>
> >> As I said, I have performed marriages and I'm willing to do it again
> >> (just contact me if you're interested). And if you'd like a religious
> >> ceremony, I can accommodate. But I'd hate to think that by doing so,
> >> I'd be forcing any particular church to do anything; I'd hate to think
> >> that my actions had anything to do with any particular church at all,
> >> even the church of which I am (through my online degree) a minister.
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Thanks for the response anyway Paul - I was really hoping you could just
> >> > try
> >> > your best to take the indefensible side of keeping same sex marriage
> >> > bans in
> >> > place. I've racked my brain trying to think of even a single solitary -
> >> > even a stretch - of a reason to continue denying same sex couples and
> >> > families with same sex parents equal rights / benefits / protections of
> >> > married couples and I continue to just come up blank so I'm disappointed
> >> > that no one could step forward and enlighten me.
> >> >
> >> > In short, can anyone explain why same couples don't deserve to be as
> >> > equally
> >> > miserable as married couples? Also, for folks who are bent out of shape
> >> > about homo sex, the best way to get people to completely stop having sex
> >> > would be to encourage them to get married. Thus, same sex marriage is a
> >> > win
> >> > for everyone although I don't believe that churches should be forced to
> >> > perform same sex weddings against their beliefs.
> >> >
> >> > -Scott
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:22:20 -0700
> >> > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> >> > To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> >> > CC: kmmos1 at frontier.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage
> >> >
> >> > On 07/15/2012 06:28 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Paul / Gary - can either of you give it a shot at playing devil's
> >> > advocate?
> >> > And by that, I mean a good shot, not just some half assed, weak,
> >> > grasping at
> >> > straws attempt.
> >> >
> >> > -Scott
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I really can't. If I had to attack gay marriage, I would do it by
> >> > attacking
> >> > the very concept of marriage as a whole. It's a religious institution
> >> > that
> >> > has no place in a presumed secular society. It's formed straight out of
> >> > tradition, and the world has moved on. Every secular benefit given to
> >> > married couples should be individually scrutinized in order to determine
> >> > if
> >> > it could in fact be given out to others as well as married couples. Why
> >> > shouldn't your best friend be able to make medical decisions on your
> >> > behalf
> >> > if you are incapacitated, if it's been setup that way before-hand? Why
> >> > shouldn't any number of people be able to sign up to jointly care for a
> >> > child, receiving tax benefits in exchange? And so on.
> >> >
> >> > Gay marriages would be just as wrong as... non-gay marriages.
> >> >
> >> > Paul
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:46:06 -0700
> >> > From: kmmos1 at frontier.com
> >> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage
> >> >
> >> > On 7/15/2012 4:37 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, Ken, but that is one of the silliest arguments I have heard.
> >> > Marriage
> >> > has nothing to do with if people have children or not.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Marriage has to do with, among other things, with whether people have
> >> > social
> >> > permission to procreate. Same-sex marriage implies such permission is
> >> > not
> >> > granted to individuals within that relationship.
> >> >
> >> > You can be married and have no children and be not married and have 10
> >> > children.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Of course. Physical biology is not prevented by marriage or its absence.
> >> >
> >> > Many same sex couples can, do, will, and want to have children, and make
> >> > damn good parents too.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Likewise true.
> >> >
> >> > It is actually easier to have more children if you are NOT in a
> >> > monogamous
> >> > relationship for both genders.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If a person lacks a spouse who would disapprove of extramarital
> >> > sexuality,
> >> > and if that person cares not whether pregnancy results from personal
> >> > sexual
> >> > activity, then more children may result.
> >> >
> >> > A man is more able to impregnate more women, and a woman would be more
> >> > likely to get pregnant with more men.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Marriage may have a counter-intuitive prophylactic effect as a result of
> >> > each partner encouraging more responsibility from the other without
> >> > regard
> >> > to partner gender.
> >> >
> >> > More irresponsible, less thoughtful, people may cause more pregnancies
> >> > without regard to partner gender if they are not monogamous. If they are
> >> > monogamous fewer pregnancies will result within same-sex couples,
> >> > whether or
> >> > not they are married.
> >> >
> >> > People should not, or be socially engineered to marry a person of a
> >> > gender
> >> > they are not attracted to, that is unfair to one or both of them.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am not suggesting unwanted marriage. Remaining single is just as
> >> > available
> >> > an option.
> >> >
> >> > As well as others that could be deprived of their true affections and
> >> > love.
> >> >
> >> > Marriage should ALWAYS be about two consenting adults who love each
> >> > other.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How romantic. And in many cases, how unrealistic. Over the centuries
> >> > marriage has more often been an arrangement implementing social
> >> > practicalities rather than love. Given the intractable societal burdens
> >> > of
> >> > overpopulation, societal concerns may well trump personal preferences
> >> > for
> >> > multiple reasons -- food sharing, housing sharing, and many facets of
> >> > more
> >> > efficient societal use of many limited resources.
> >> >
> >> > And nothing else. People deserve nothing less.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Whether or not our current mixture of preferences will survive
> >> > increasing
> >> > population pressures is both uncertain and unlikely.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ken
> >> >
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