[Vision2020] Same sex marriage

[Donovan Arnold]

Ken writes,

 
 
"Marriage has to do with, among other things, with whether people have social permission to procreate. Same-sex marriage implies such permission is not granted to individuals within that relationship."
 
 
No it doesn't. People in same sex marriage have children, and are allowed to have children.
 
And finishes with,
 
"How romantic. And in many cases, how unrealistic. Over the centuries marriage has more often been an arrangement implementing social practicalities rather than love. Given the intractable societal burdens of overpopulation, societal concerns may well trump personal preferences for multiple reasons -- food sharing, housing sharing, and many facets of more efficient societal use of many limited resources."
 
I didn't say it didn't occur for other reasons than two adults loving each other, I said it SHOULD only occur for that reason and no other reason. People should not marry for property, health care, peace between two nations/families, money, extended stay visas, food, for the sake of the children, to have children, or with a partner because they can or cannot have children and is what they want, because they are drunk in Las Vegas and think it would funny, or any other reason.
 
Marriage should be a statement that two people want to be together, for no other reason than they want to be, not because of social engineering.
 
Donovan J. Arnold
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
To: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Same sex marriage


On 7/15/2012 4:37 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:

Sorry, Ken, but that is one of the silliest arguments I have heard. Marriage has nothing to do with if people have children or not.
Marriage has to do with, among other things, with whether people have social permission to procreate. Same-sex marriage implies such permission is not granted to individuals within that relationship.


You can be married and have no children and be not married and have 10 children.
Of course. Physical biology is not prevented by marriage or its absence.


Many same sex couples can, do, will, and want to have children, and make damn good parents too. 
Likewise true.


It is actually easier to have more children if you are NOT in a monogamous relationship for both genders.
If a person lacks a spouse who would disapprove of extramarital sexuality, and if that person cares not whether pregnancy results from personal sexual activity, then more children may result.


A man is more able to impregnate more women, and a woman would be more likely to get pregnant with more men.
Marriage may have a counter-intuitive prophylactic effect as a result of each partner encouraging more responsibility from the other without regard to partner gender.

More irresponsible, less thoughtful, people may cause more pregnancies without regard to partner gender if they are not monogamous. If they are monogamous fewer pregnancies will result within same-sex couples, whether or not they are married.


People should not, or be socially engineered to marry a person of a gender they are not attracted to, that is unfair to one or both of them.
I am not suggesting unwanted marriage. Remaining single is just as available an option.


As well as others that could be deprived of their true affections and love. 
> 
>Marriage should ALWAYS be about two consenting adults who love each other.
How romantic. And in many cases, how unrealistic. Over the centuries marriage has more often been an arrangement implementing social practicalities rather than love. Given the intractable societal burdens of overpopulation, societal concerns may well trump personal preferences for multiple reasons -- food sharing, housing sharing, and many facets of more efficient societal use of many limited resources.


And nothing else. People deserve nothing less.
Whether or not our current mixture of preferences will survive increasing population pressures is both uncertain and unlikely.


Ken

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