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Roger's post below is not a kudos of Rumelhart's posts; rather a condemnation (if you get the drift).

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  From: lfalen 
  To: Paul Rumelhart ; Andreas Schou 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:11 PM
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  I think that you are one of the most reasonable people who post here and I agree with about 90% of your posts.
  Roger
  -----Original message-----
  From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
  Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:50:07 -0800
  To: Andreas Schou ophite at gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)

  > 
  > I tend to annoy everybody, I think.  It's a special trait of mine.
  > 
  > I haven't met very many people on the list in real life.  I know Sue 
  > Hovey, I've met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely on the phone.
  > 
  > I miss some of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while.  Is 
  > Chasuk still around somewhere?  There have been periods of time where I 
  > haven't followed the list as much as I'd like, so maybe I just haven't 
  > seen his posts.
  > 
  > Although Ted and I are constantly beating our heads against each other, 
  > I respect his character and can confidently say that he's a principled 
  > person who cares deeply about the environment.  Nothing wrong with 
  > that.  As I tend to get a bit snarky in my responses far too regularly, 
  > I apologize to him now for the many sarcastic and unfriendly remarks 
  > I've made over the years.
  > 
  > I've talked with Gary both on and off the list (a few times, anyway) and 
  > find him to be a good guy.  He calls them like he sees them, and I 
  > respect that.  My path over the last few years is one of realizing that 
  > even people you differ with have important things to say and that 
  > everything is not so black and white as people try to make it appear.  
  > My opinion of Gary has changed for the better since I've interacted with 
  > him, and that can only be a good sign.
  > 
  > Apart from the last few weeks, I haven't interacted with Joe that much, 
  > but I appreciate the civil discourse we've had, even though we both 
  > probably shriek at the walls various unflattering remarks about each 
  > other after a long back-and-forth.  He's an intelligent guy, and he also 
  > calls 'em like he sees 'em, too.  That's a good thing.
  > 
  > I've had some good conversations with Donovan, and find him to be a nice 
  > guy.
  > 
  > Andreas is one of the more reasonable posters on the list, I enjoy his 
  > posts when I see them.  He seems level-headed and intelligent and wise, 
  > really.
  > 
  > I enjoy Tom's humorous posts, and appreciate the work he does for the 
  > community.  I'm not as big a fan of cats as he is, though.  Don't hate 
  > them, mind you, but I'm not as enamored of them.
  > 
  > I enjoy Keely's posts, even though we often disagree about some things.  
  > I also enjoy Nicks posts, they are very thought-provoking.  There are 
  > lots of others I'm missing, I'm sure.  Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan, 
  > Dave, Deb, and others.  All of them nice people who think I'm a fruitcake ;)
  > 
  > It certainly doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and to 
  > realize that real people actually exist behind their on-line personas.  
  > This list is an enigma.  It's full of generally nice people who like to 
  > yell at each other all the time.  It must be the dehumanizing properties 
  > of the email medium, I guess.
  > 
  > Ah well, back to the mudslinging, I say!
  > 
  > Paul
  > 
  > Andreas Schou wrote:
  > > Gary's one of a very small number of conservative commentators that
  > > I've managed to read consistently since I first became politically
  > > aware. In part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a very
  > > small number of conservative commentators whom I may annoy precisely
  > > as much as he annoys me. But, even where I think he's wrong, he's at
  > > least responsive.
  > >
  > > He's also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard and
  > > experienced, a decent human. I only disagree with him about matters of
  > > life, death, and whether and how the government should acquire and
  > > spend trillions of dollars. Other than that, we're cool. And he's not
  > > the only conservative here that's made a positive contribution to the
  > > community.
  > >
  > > Many of you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple of years ago and
  > > nearly died. I was in Seattle for most of the relevant period, but I
  > > received an unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to bring over
  > > casseroles and whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because I
  > > suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the casseroles to Seattle),
  > > but I appreciated it more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry to
  > > hear that Pat Kraut died; in all of my professional dealings with her,
  > > through the Nazarene church, she genuinely enacted the charitable
  > > values we so vehemently disagreed about  the government enacting.
  > >
  > > I don't know the rest of the conservatives here as well. Glenn isn't a
  > > real person (though I once had a perfectly civil lunch with the person
  > > I believe he is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't kick a puppy unless
  > > the puppy really had it coming. Jeff Harkins is sometimes genuinely
  > > helpful, and bright and dedicated, if sometimes glib.
  > >
  > > I realize that it'll soon be time to get back to shouting at each
  > > other. As we should. Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not Paul.
  > > He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a compliment.) But in the
  > > spirit Dear Leader proposes, I think taking a moment to appreciate the
  > > people we will soon be throwing rotten fruit at seems appropriate.
  > >
  > > -- ACS
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