[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 31 00:06:19 PST 2011
Jay and Paul,
I think character not length of time in office impact corruption. There have been a fine number of Presidents and other politicians that participated in plenty of corruption to last a lifetime in just the first half of their first term, like Nixon, Harding, and Grant. Likewise, many Presidents have done their finest work in the latter days of their time in office such as Lincoln, both Roosevelt's, and Lyndon Johnson.
There is nothing wrong with power accumulating in the hands of a few good people as long as that power was given to them and taken away at will by the people and the power is used for the best interests of the people.
I personally think the level of corruption is more influenced by the high influence of lobbyists in financing campaigns and seedy characters attracted to power.
Donovan Arnold
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From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: Jay Borden <jborden at datawedge.com>
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
According to this link
(http://www.southernnh912.com/sites/default/files/PresidentialCandidatePositions_20111203.pdf),
Gingrich, Paul, and Romney are for, Perry is against. The others
state that their campaigns have been contacted, but no answer has
been received. I don't know what Obama's stance is on term limits.
Paul
On 12/30/2011 11:02 AM, Jay Borden wrote:
>I’ve been a proponent of term limits for… well, forever. We limit the number of terms for our President, we need to limit the terms in our House and Senate. Having people in office for *decades* does nothing but consolidate power and invite corruption.
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>If you *truly* want representation in America, we have to rotate through our elected representatives… frequently.
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>To do this, Americans are going to have to put aside all other opinions until this is achieved. Environment? Abortion? Taxes? Left-handed dentists? All of these items need to be tabled, and the *one question* that needs to be asked of a candidate is “Will you introduce and vote for term limits?” It needs to be the *only* reason to vote for a candidate, and until the goal is accomplished, it needs to be the *only*reason that a candidate is voted FOR.
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>THEN, when term limits come to fruition… when our elected representatives cannot stay in office and continue to consolidate power and control… then we can dust off our beliefs and take them to a government that is as elastic as the population it represents.
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>Jay
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>From:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
>Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:47 AM
>To: Art Deco
>Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
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>If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll
veto anything that he finds to be unconstitutional. This
will, at the very least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act
and increases in funding for DHS. Even if Congress can come
up with enough votes to override the veto, issues like this
will suddenly be at the forefront of the "national
conversation" about what's going on in government. For this
alone, I'd like to see him get in there.
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>Paul
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>On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>I agree with Rumelhart to the extent that things in this country [and globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians' ways of repairing them. We need bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders who can convince us to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible solutions, and to convince us to make the inevitable selfless sacrifices necessary.
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>Though not traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one of those leaders.
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>His view of the world and his positions are too simplistic for the complex, diverse, globally competitive world we live in. The latest revelations have shown that his integrity does not rise above the minimum standard. The simplicity of his views are his main attraction to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever producing workable solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the messes we now face.
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>In addition, some of his views are so abhorrent and/or crackpotty that he would not be likely to convince congress to implement them in the face of public opinion.
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>Having said that, I am unable to suggest any leader or group of leaders that seem capable of fixing things. The best I can hope for is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at least by a little, to struggle on.
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>I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live too much longer. I don't not want to see the result of where the world is heading and the foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to be done to change that direction.
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>w.
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>From:Sunil Ramalingam
>Sent:Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AM
>Cc:vision 2020
>Subject:Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
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>Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On defense spending?
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>Sunil
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>Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800
>From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>To: deco at moscow.com
>CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited
Campaign
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>I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to
stop the downslope this country is on. For example, the
Transportation Security Administration just got an extra
$7.85 billion in funding for 2012, including several
hundred million dollars of funding for whole body
imagers. This passed both the House and the Senate. Does
anyone here actually believe that terrorism is a
personally actionable danger? Do you change your behavior
at all due to the threat? Do you think all the security
theater is worth the money?
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>Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes
against this kind of crap. Pretty much everybody else,
(R) or (D), votes it in. All they seem to argue about is
who is getting the pork.
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>As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but
next year having slipped even farther away from
rationality or 2) this one bat-shit crazy dude that might
actually try to do something about it.
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>One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is
actually getting press. There was a massive grassroots
campaign for him the last couple of elections, but nobody
in the media would take him seriously as an actual
candidate.
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>The fact that they have started the smear campaign means
that there is actually a chance of getting him in office.
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>My advice? Don't vote for the person that looks like the
most responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's
someone you could have a beer with, or the one that looks
like a he's a successful lawyer. All of those guys are
going to perpetuate the power grab that has been going on
for the last few decades.
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>Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the
others. Vote for the one that will work to decrease their
power, not the others that only want to increase it for
personal gain.
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>Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's the
only one with half a chance to shake things up a bit.
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>This should be a fun election year.
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>Paul
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>On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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>December 27, 2011
>Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
>Ron Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the gold standard, cutting a third of the federal budget and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
>Now, making things worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate racist remarks that were published under his name for years — or the enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
>Mr. Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas who is doing particularly well in Iowa’s precaucus polls, published several newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with names like the Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters interspersed libertarian political and investment commentary with racial bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia.
>Among other offensive statements, the newsletters said that 95 percent of Washington’s black males were criminals, and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday as “Hate Whitey Day.” One 1993 article appeared under a headline lamenting the country’s “disappearing white majority.” Other articles suggested that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, praised the Louisiana racist David Duke and accused some gay men with AIDS of deliberately spreading the disease, “perhaps out of a pathological hatred.”
>A direct-mail ad for the newsletters from around 1993 warned of a “coming race war in our big cities” and said there was a “federal-homosexual cover-up” to suppress the impact of AIDS.
>Mr. Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the articles and their ideas, now says that most of them were written by others and that he was unaware of their content. Even if that were the case, it suggests a stupendous level of negligence that should force a reconsideration by anyone considering entrusting him with the White House.
>When the newsletters first became an issue during his Congressional campaigns in the 1990s, however, he did not deny writing some of them or knowing about them.
>Mr. Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting of who wrote the newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their publication. It’s especially important that he do so immediately. Those writings have certainly not been forgotten by white supremacist and militia groups that are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and in New Hampshire.
>The Times reported on Sunday that dozens of members of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront are volunteering for the Paul campaign, along with far-right militias, survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the Stormfront director, said his members were drawn to Mr. Paul by the newsletters and his positions against immigration and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr. Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a white nationalist.
>Mr. Paul, saying he still hopes to “convert” these supporters to his views, has refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a lasting stain on his candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very possibly, on the Iowa caucuses.
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