[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 30 11:54:31 PST 2011
According to this link
(http://www.southernnh912.com/sites/default/files/PresidentialCandidatePositions_20111203.pdf),
Gingrich, Paul, and Romney are for, Perry is against. The others state
that their campaigns have been contacted, but no answer has been
received. I don't know what Obama's stance is on term limits.
Paul
On 12/30/2011 11:02 AM, Jay Borden wrote:
>
> I've been a proponent of term limits for... well, forever. We limit
> the number of terms for our President, we need to limit the terms in
> our House and Senate. Having people in office for **decades** does
> nothing but consolidate power and invite corruption.
>
> If you **truly** want representation in America, we have to rotate
> through our elected representatives... frequently.
>
> To do this, Americans are going to have to put aside all other
> opinions until this is achieved. Environment? Abortion? Taxes?
> Left-handed dentists? All of these items need to be tabled, and the
> **one question** that needs to be asked of a candidate is "Will you
> introduce and vote for term limits?" It needs to be the **only**
> reason to vote for a candidate, and until the goal is accomplished, it
> needs to be the **only**reason that a candidate is voted FOR.
>
> THEN, when term limits come to fruition... when our elected
> representatives cannot stay in office and continue to consolidate
> power and control... then we can dust off our beliefs and take them to
> a government that is as elastic as the population it represents.
>
> Jay
>
> *From:*vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rumelhart
> *Sent:* Friday, December 30, 2011 9:47 AM
> *To:* Art Deco
> *Cc:* Vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
>
>
> If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll veto
> anything that he finds to be unconstitutional. This will, at the very
> least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act and increases in funding
> for DHS. Even if Congress can come up with enough votes to override
> the veto, issues like this will suddenly be at the forefront of the
> "national conversation" about what's going on in government. For this
> alone, I'd like to see him get in there.
>
> Paul
>
> On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>
> I agree with Rumelhart to the extent that things in this country [and
> globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians' ways
> of repairing them. We need bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders
> who can convince us to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible
> solutions, and to convince us to make the inevitable selfless
> sacrifices necessary.
>
> Though not traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one of those leaders.
>
> His view of the world and his positions are too simplistic for the
> complex, diverse, globally competitive world we live in. The latest
> revelations have shown that his integrity does not rise above the
> minimum standard. The simplicity of his views are his main attraction
> to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever producing
> workable solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the
> messes we now face.
>
> In addition, some of his views are so abhorrent and/or crackpotty that
> he would not be likely to convince congress to implement them in the
> face of public opinion.
>
> Having said that, I am unable to suggest any leader or group of
> leaders that seem capable of fixing things. The best I can hope for
> is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at least by a little, to
> struggle on.
>
> I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live too much longer. I don't not
> want to see the result of where the world is heading and the
> foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to be done to
> change that direction.
>
> w.
>
> *From:*Sunil Ramalingam <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>
> *Sent:*Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AM
>
> *Cc:*vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>
> *Subject:*Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
>
> Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On
> defense spending?
>
> Sunil
>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: deco at moscow.com <mailto:deco at moscow.com>
> CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
>
>
> I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the
> downslope this country is on. For example, the Transportation
> Security Administration just got an extra $7.85 billion in funding for
> 2012, including several hundred million dollars of funding for whole
> body imagers. This passed both the House and the Senate. Does anyone
> here actually believe that terrorism is a personally actionable
> danger? Do you change your behavior at all due to the threat? Do you
> think all the security theater is worth the money?
>
> Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against this kind
> of crap. Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D), votes it in. All
> they seem to argue about is who is getting the pork.
>
> As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next year
> having slipped even farther away from rationality or 2) this one
> bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try to do something about it.
>
> One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is actually getting
> press. There was a massive grassroots campaign for him the last
> couple of elections, but nobody in the media would take him seriously
> as an actual candidate.
>
> The fact that they have started the smear campaign means that there is
> actually a chance of getting him in office.
>
> My advice? Don't vote for the person that looks like the most
> responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you could
> have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a successful
> lawyer. All of those guys are going to perpetuate the power grab that
> has been going on for the last few decades.
>
> Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the others. Vote for
> the one that will work to decrease their power, not the others that
> only want to increase it for personal gain.
>
> Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's the only one with
> half a chance to shake things up a bit.
>
> This should be a fun election year.
>
> Paul
>
> On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>
>
> The New York Times <http://www.nytimes.com/>
>
> ·Reprints
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/opinion/mr-pauls-discredited-campaign.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211&pagewanted=print>
>
>
>
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> December 27, 2011
>
>
> Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
>
> Ron Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling
> claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to
> the gold standard, cutting a third of the federal budget and all
> foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
> Now, making things worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate
> racist remarks that were published under his name for years --- or the
> enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
> Mr. Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas who is doing
> particularly well in Iowa's precaucus polls, published several
> newsletters in the '80s and '90s with names like the Ron Paul Survival
> Report and the Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters interspersed
> libertarian political and investment commentary with racial bigotry,
> anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia.
> Among other offensive statements, the newsletters said that 95 percent
> of Washington's black males were criminals
> <http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html>,
> and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday as
> "Hate Whitey Day." One 1993 article
> <http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf> appeared
> under a headline lamenting the country's "disappearing white
> majority." Other articles suggested that the Mossad, the Israeli
> intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center
> bombing, praised the Louisiana racist David Duke and accused some gay
> men with AIDS of deliberately spreading the disease
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all>,
> "perhaps out of a pathological hatred."
> A direct-mail ad
> <http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223> for
> the newsletters from around 1993 warned of a "coming race war in our
> big cities" and said there was a "federal-homosexual cover-up" to
> suppress the impact of AIDS.
> Mr. Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the articles and their
> ideas, now says that most of them were written by others and that he
> was unaware of their content. Even if that were the case, it suggests
> a stupendous level of negligence that should force a reconsideration
> by anyone considering entrusting him with the White House.
> When the newsletters first became an issue during his Congressional
> campaigns in the 1990s, however, he did not deny writing some of them
> <http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html>
> or knowing about them.
> Mr. Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting of who wrote
> the newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their publication.
> It's especially important that he do so immediately. Those writings
> have certainly not been forgotten by white supremacist and militia
> groups that are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and in New Hampshire.
> The Times reported on Sunday
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html>
> that dozens of members of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront
> are volunteering for the Paul campaign, along with far-right militias,
> survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the Stormfront
> director, said his members were drawn to Mr. Paul by the newsletters
> and his positions against immigration and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr.
> Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a white nationalist.
> Mr. Paul, saying he still hopes to "convert" these supporters to his
> views, has refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his
> campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a lasting stain on his
> candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very possibly, on the Iowa
> caucuses.
>
> _____________________________________
>
> Wayne A. Fox
> wayne.a.fox at gmail.com <mailto:wayne.a.fox at gmail.com>
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