[Vision2020] Your pal, the Pornographic Preacher, Mark Driscoll

Thu Aug 18 20:58:14 PDT 2011

"A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband's sin, but she may not be helping him either."

- Mark Driscoll
http://crosscut.com/2008/10/30/religion/18602/Evangelism-meets-Seattle:-the-view-from-Mars-Hill/

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change and the Realist adjusts his sails."

- Unknown

On Aug 18, 2011, at 20:41, "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Wow – a Christian sexinar right here in Moscow, and at the Nazarene Church, no less!
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> Brought to us, one cannot help but notice, by the very same crowd so offended by the topfree carwash that they successfully rammed an unconstitutional ordinance down the throat of this community back in 2003.  Can we all say, “hypocrites?”  I thought we could  J  Porn is OK as long as it’s a (disgusting) Christian male pimping it out, but female breasts need to be criminalized . . . yeah, that makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it.  It think it’s clear, now, that their problem is they know their Godly Christian men simply cannot control themselves.
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> What’s confusing to me, though, is how homosexuality is a sin but a bunch of adult Christian male pervs participating in a (hopefully only) mental circle jerk isn’t.
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> Hey – perhaps we should take a page out of the Kirk playbook & picket, boycott, protest, and write letters to the editors of all the local newspapers?  I cannot imagine that the community will be overly impressed that the Nazarene Church has rented itself out for a sexinar. 
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> This kind of crap out of the Kirk doesn’t surprise me, but what in the world is wrong with the Nazarene Church???  Do the congregants think so little of their house of worship that they’re OK for it being pimped out for any purpose?
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> Let’s hope the rental fee covers meticulous cleaning otherwise who knows what the Nazarene congregants will find on their seats or floor or walls, given Driscoll’s support of public sex.  No, I’m not kidding – that’s straight from the sex Web site he directs Christians to visit.
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Huskey
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:55 PM
> To: edeby at moscownaz.org; office at christkirk.com
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> Subject: [Vision2020] Your pal, the Pornographic Preacher, Mark Driscoll
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> Warning:  This Email contains material that may be offensive to the reader, - it certainly is to me.  If you are upset by it, please contact  Doug Wilson, pastor of Christ Church in Moscow, Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, and/or Ed Eby, pastor of the Nazarene Church in Moscow to thank them for bringing Mark Driscoll to Moscow thus, to my attention, and subsequently to the Vision 2020 community.  We all should share in the blessings that the Kirks offers, don’t you think?
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> Greetings  to Christ Church Elders Dale Courtney, Dr. John Grauke, Matt Gray, Ed Iverson, Mike Lawyer, Csaba Leidenfrost, Ben Merkle, Jim Nance, John Sawyer, Wes Struble, Matt Whitling, Gordon Wilson, Doug Wilson, Ed Eby, pastor of the Nazarene Church in Moscow, and members of the Nazarene Church in Moscow who might read Vision 2020.
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> Just wondering, fellas, if the Nazarene Church sanctuary is large enough to hold the crowd of excited wankers who will be listening avidly while guest speaker, Mark Driscoll,  wows and delights them at the most recent incarnation of the Trinity Fest?  Talk about hitting record lows, this is an Olympic level of depravity even for you and the Toadies, Doug.
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> Mr. Eby (I am soooo done addressing you as pastor, after you allowed convicted serial pedophile Steven Sitler – and his young bride, Katie Travis, to marry in your church) why in the name of heaven are you welcoming the Bevis and Butthead of the Reformed world to preach in your sanctuary?  When are you going to learn that when you lie down with dogs (Doug’s???) you’ll come up with fleas? Your decision to allow Driscoll in your church - as anything but a repentant sinner  - speaks volumes about the current state of the leadership of the local Nazarene Church.  Perhaps, although it doesn’t seem likely at this point, you will learn that the money the Kirk pays you for the use of your facility is a pittance compared to the damage they do to your reputation and the dignity of your congregation. You don’t really think Christ Church elders give a rat’s fanny about you or your flock, do you?  Hint: they don’t, your church building is just convenient.    For those 2020 readers who have never heard of Mark Driscoll please read the article below by respected, conservative Christian author and radio host Ingrid Schlueter. 
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> Oh, and Doug, is Mark Driscoll going to be speaking to the ladies group taught by your wife and daughters, (“Dangerous Women”) ?  It seems to me that the content of his “sermons” are really intended to inspire them to . . . well, unlike Mark Driscoll, I’ll just leave it there.  It is my prayerful hope that you won’t humiliate and embarrass them with his presence. 
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> This most recent dog and pony show proves once again that you and the Toadies remain a gaggle of pretentious, swaggering, perpetual adolescences who have not matured one scintilla since your remarkably stupid April Fools prank. [scroll down to page 20, the column called “Rattle and Hum” by Doug Wilson:  third paragraph beginning “By the time you receive this, our local police will probably have forgotten all about it, so a little bragging is now safe, and perhaps it is even in order”  edition: 11 -3 of Doug’s self-published journal Credenda Agenda .]  Now, twelve years later we are offered a dogs dish of a vision, shriveled-shanked, belly-sagging, gluttonous, gray bearded (with bits and bobs of breakfast still nestled in amongst the scraggy hairs), aging old men in button shirts and size 46 Dockers deluding themselves into believing that they represent splendid patriarchal  specimens to their (have-to-be) submissive wives.  Sad, so sad, while simultaneously ludicrous.
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> WARNING:  The links to Mars Hill contain explicit  language and descriptions.  In fact, I am not comfortable posting them.  So, I am going to do some heavy editing and you will have to go to the original article link (below) to read the original version.    
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> Sexpert Pastor Mark Driscoll is Told, 'Enough is Enough'
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> Contact: Ingrid Schlueter, Co-Host, Crosstalk Radio Talk Show, 414-881-5852,
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> MEDIA ADVISORY, Jan. 15 /Christian Newswire/ -- For years, Pastor Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church in Seattle has styled himself as hip and relevant and gritty. He's made a name for himself with his irreverence, his ultra-cool persona and most of all, for his crass discussion of sexual matters. It is this discussion of sexual matters that is increasingly removing Mr. Driscoll from the company of Christians who believe he long ago crossed a line of acceptable conduct for an evangelical pastor.
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> Pastor Driscoll, in a recent blog post, promotes a website called XXXXXXXX  which features articles on how a Christian wife can turn herself into XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Driscoll also sees himself as a sex advice counselor on his Mars Hill Blog, dispensing his recommendations for things XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx. In short, he makes Planned Parenthood instructional videos look tame.
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> The fact that this press release is unlikely to make it through Internet filters speaks for itself. Author and former head of Eagle Forum in Washington state, Cathy Mickels, issued a press release yesterday, decrying the foul material being passed off in the name of relevant ministry by Mr. Driscoll. I join Mrs. Mickels in her profound disgust that this pastor has been legitimized and endorsed by leading Bible teachers like John Piper and Erwin Lutzer. Driscoll is allowed the platform that he has because Christian leaders have not said, "enough is enough!" Women are now having to speak up about the degrading and filthy content of Mr. Driscoll's "ministry."
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> At a time when American young people are hit in the face with graphic sexuality in every facet of our culture, the church should be a safe haven where the sacredness and privacy of the act of marriage is respected by pastors. Those with sexual issues need to receive private counseling---not sex seminars in a church auditorium. For generations, Christian pastors have managed to convey the Scripture's teachings on fornication, adultery and the beauty of sexuality within marriage without sullying and cheapening it, Driscoll-style.
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> Mark Driscoll is a sad product of our times. While waving his orthodox doctrinal credentials, he has simultaneously embraced the spirit of the age when it comes to his treatment of sex. In the process, he is pornifying the church and only adding to the moral squalor of our culture.
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> Contact: Ingrid Schlueter, Co-Host 
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> http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/56609176.html
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