[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

[Andreas Schou]

Gary --
... but that people that believe that slavery was beneficial should be
welcomed fully into the company of "your side" and defended at any
opportunity. Right?

-- ACS

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:27 PM, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:

>  I think that it should go without saying that I believe that slavery
> was wretched and needed to come to an end and that the holocaust actually
> occurred. I think I have made it painfully clear what I think you said that
> was blatantly false.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> *Cc:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> ; <vision2020 at moscow.com><vision2020 at moscow.com%3E>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> Just tell me what your views are and what I said that was false. The fact
> that you won't reject slavery revisionism is telling otherwise.
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 4:25 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>   I don't give two hoots in hell about your appology. I'm "suggesting"
> that you can't back up your repeated assertion regarding my views on slavery
> and the holocaust and that you are now trying to shift the discussion in an
> effort to avoid owning up to it. Believe me when I say this comes as no
> suprise.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> *Cc:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> ; < <vision2020 at moscow.com%3E>
> vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:17 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> Gary,
>
> Are you suggesting that you never defended Wilson, or his views on slavery?
> Do you think Wilson's views are as crazy as those of the holocaust denier?
> If so, then say so and I'll issue an appology!
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:40 PM, "g. crabtree" < <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>   I'm still waiting for you to back up the "defends Wilson's book in
> slavery" and "my saying that "slavery wasn't so bad" or that the holocaust
> never happened."
>
> Seems odd that you would be so adamant that others move mountains to back
> up their remarks (even though you disregard it when they do) and yet
> fecklessly refuse to do so yourself. Not much for accountability are ya?
>
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> >I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not
> > mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as Fox.
> > Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book in slavery to be
> > able to notice how offensive Fox is.
> >
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,
> >> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery
> >> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put
> >> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its "information" then
> >> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat, that.
> >>
> >> g
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
> >>
> >>
> >>> Paul,
> >>>
> >>> And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're
> >>> obviously reading something into my post that I did not say.
> >>>
> >>> Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from
> >>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post
> >>> with  some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as
> >>> irresponsible since  it just muddys the water. Not every
> >>> organization is biased in the way  Fox is. Someone needed to point
> >>> that out and I did so. That is all  there is to it. I made no
> >>> comments about conservative news  organizations in general, just
> >>> the one bad apple.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Campbell
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Joe Campbell wrote:
> >>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you
> >>>>> have got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
> >>>>> What a joke!
> >>>>
> >>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.  All I
> >>>> said was that all news has bias.  That includes both the NY Times
> >>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias
> >>>> relative  to each other.
> >>>>
> >>>> You've drawn a line in the sand.  There is a "right" that watches
> >>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY
> >>>> Times.   The truth is, that line doesn't really exist as a line.
> >>>> If you  really look at it, the right and left ideologies cover so
> >>>> much  territory that you can't help but agree with a few concepts
> >>>> "across  the line".
> >>>> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country, we
> >>>> have to throw that crap out the window.  All of us have to do
> >>>> this.   Instead of looking for where we might agree, we're
> >>>> highlighting the  differences.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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