[Vision2020] An article from IdahoStatesman.com

Saundra Lund sslund at roadrunner.com
Thu Mar 29 20:58:24 PDT 2007 

Well, if that's your attitude, it's only because you've not had to deal with
<gasp> California's DMV.

BTW -- and I know this will burst some bubble -- but I, too, actually agreed
with much of your initial post on this topic.  Mind you, I didn't agree with
*everything* (wouldn't want the world to quit turning!), but I did agree
with a lot of it.  Mark this day on the calendar  ;-)



Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

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nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:33 PM
To: Paul Rumelhart; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An article from IdahoStatesman.com

The Mass. DMV is the most evil, inflexible, obdurate organization on the
face of this or any other planet. They make the KGB seem warm and cuddly.
They make the Borg seem open to friendly negotiation and persuasion. They
are always right and should you dare to disagree, they will make your life
hell until you relent and admit to their all knowing superiority and abase
yourself to their grinning, sadistic satisfaction. Their  official motto:
All hail Mass. DMV (or we'll kill you) Please don't get me started. In fact
their probably monitoring this discussion board and making plans to kidnap
and torture one of my pets for having the temerity to say something negative
about their little cabal. I've got to go, there's someone at my front
door...
 
g

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Paul Rumelhart <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>  
	To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
	Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:20 PM
	Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An article from IdahoStatesman.com

	g.,
	
	We don't agree on a lot of things, but I have to say that I agree
with pretty much everything you said here.  The Archies thing was a
misunderstanding and the proprietors shouldn't be raked over the coals for
it.  I don't smoke, and prefer smoke-free restraunts and bars, but I don't
think I have the right to force anybody to agree to that.  I hate
group-think, and look to eradicate it where I can. 
	
	However, I don't understand the reference to the Massachusetts DMV.
What am I missing?
	
	Paul
	
	g. crabtree wrote: 

		Either become a warm, kind, caring, evolved passenger on
spaceship Moscow, sensitive to the health and emotional welfare of your
fellow travelers or we'll destroy your reputation, confiscate your ability
to feed your family and drive your unfeeling ass out of town.
		 
		Why do certain, contestably well intentioned, people feel
the need to band together to bend others to their will? When the disabled
fellow and his person felt that they weren't being made as welcome as they
would have liked at one restaurant they opted to go to another. Good call!
Why not have left it at that? Why the overwhelming need to be vindictive,
organize a mob to punish the first establishments owner, force them, by God,
to come around to their way of thinking, even though the disruption was
almost certainly the result of a misunderstanding or a momentary lapse on
the part of Mr. Johnson and/or the caregiver/aid/friend/whatever?
		 
		To a lesser extent, the same applies to Bucer's. They have a
smoking room. You may not like it but you are not required to frequent the
establishment. Choose one of the many other businesses that are more to your
liking and leave Bucer's to cater to the clientele that appreciates the
increasingly rare opportunity to enjoy a smoke with like minded patrons.
Attempting to pass legislation to force a private property owner to comply
with your desires under penalty of loss of livelihood is meddling in
another's bailiwick writ large. Lets face it, the likelihood that Mr. Rigby
or Mr. Carscallen are feeling seriously neglected or that their wellbeing is
negatively impacted by not being able to down yet another high priced cup of
joe is doubtful. Drink in Pullman if it's more to your liking, don't deprive
others into having no place to gather, all to satisfy your personal whim.
		 
		Since when does the majority get to dictate their way of
thinking on all others, in all matters? Is George Orwell and Aldous Huxley
no longer read as part of a "public education?" I guess the idea that
someone might want to go their own way has become unfathomable and group
think the order of the day. Liberal Moscow is turning into the Massachusetts
DMV.
		 
		g
		 
		 
		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com
<mailto:areaman at moscow.com> >
		To: <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> >
		Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:14 AM
		Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An article from IdahoStatesman.com
		
		
		> Tim posts a link to an article and says:
		> "Great job Idaho Legislature.  Now if Moscow could only
get Bucer's
		> Coffee House to follow the rules, the world would be a
better place."
		> 
		> Not sure what anything going on in Bucer's has to do with
bowling alleys
		> and smoking . . .
		> 
		> BUT, I'm all for adopting the whole "no smoking" deal like
Washington.
		> Having a beer in a Pullman pub is a much more pleasant
experience.
		> 
		> DC
		> 
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