[Vision2020] Do the Math

Mon Jan 22 23:00:52 PST 2007

David,

  How do you know that an investigation has not began? You think it should be announced by UI on the V or in the public domain? Don't be silly. 

  I just think such an investigation, paperwork, etc. is a waste of more tax dollars. Better to just point it out and hope people stop doing it IMHO. No need to be getting people in trouble when simple embarrassment and attention to the problem is enough. Why so many liberals in Moscow are so litigious about everything is beyond me, they have to take everything from a bad hair cut to a paper cut to some legal tribunal and former court process. 

  Best,

  Donovan

david sarff <davesway at hotmail.com> wrote:

Donovan, I really do appreciate your concern. You are certainly welcome to 
follow through in what ever way you choose.
There are processes available to Dale. If he actually has truth on his side. 
If the system is being pilfered broadly, then he would only look good and do 
well to do the footwork. If he and others are crying out for someone else to 
solve it, with hands out, and griping about welfare structures. I just can’t 
have much sympathy for them. This person is stepping back into the cheap 
seats on this thread. Thank you all for the diologue.
Dave

>David,
>
> Why spend even more government resources and the time of someone else on 
>the government payroll? Why not just publicly pressure the person to stop 
>the behavior?
>
> Not everything is worth prosecuting and taking $100,000s to investigate. 
>If publicizing it gets them to stop the destructive behavior; mission 
>accomplished.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>david sarff wrote:
> Hi Donovan,
>I agree with not looting the treasury. If Dale has a legitimate issue and
>facts he needs to at least show that he has followed a chain of command 
>with
>complaint processes and show acceptance or denial in those circles.
>Dave
>
>
> >>
> >David,
> >
> > What do you expect to see as evidence? Just curious. The University does
> >not monitor every computer on campus, it would not happen. Dale has 
>offered
> >to send anyone a copy of his blog log in file so you can see for 
>yourself.
> >If a computer data log is not evidence, and an email indicating that log 
>is
> >not evidence, and the person admitted to visiting that site, then there 
>can
> >never be evidence of anyone visiting website.
> >
> > It is entirely possible that someone could open a window for a website
> >and keep it open all day while working on their computer. Any ten year 
>old
> >can do that. So it is not an extraordinary claim.
> >
> > You can draw whatever conclusions you want based on the evidence. To me,
> >someone making this up and fabricating 378 pages of false accessing 
>files,
> >and finding somebody's IP address at home and work, just to prove someone
> >was visiting their website seems a bit far fetched to me.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >david sarff wrote:
> >
> >Dale’s info is suspect. Tom is acting coy.
> >No way Tom can waste the level of cash that Dale insinuates and not 
>caught
> >hell by now.
> >Unless Dale can present a clean accusation. There is nothing to this 
>story
> >.
> >Dave
> >
> >
> > >Paul,
> > >
> > > Your automatic refresh theory is a good one. Unfortunately, if it did,
> > >the log would show a refreshing of the page every 5, 10, 15, 30, 60, 
>etc.
> > >minutes. The log shows random times, not every exact few minutes from 
>the
> > >original log in.
> > >
> > > I doubt someone would keep the page open intentionally all day 
>everyday,
> > >and manually hit refresh randomly throughout the day. Even if someone
> >did,
> > >it would indicate a constant monitoring of the blog rather than 
>working.
> > >Why keep refreshing a page you are not watching? 30,000+ file accesses 
>is
> > >excessive, I know, that is why it was brought up. I know most people 
>surf
> > >the net at work once in a while, but this a serious abuse of the
> >privilege,
> > >IMHO.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the alternative theory though.
> > >
> > > Donovan
> > >
> > >Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> > > Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dale did not say Tom visited his blog 31,000 times. Dale said his
> > > > computer accessed 31,000 files in the last year. There is a
> > > > difference. Each time you visit a site, one to ten files can open up
> > > > at the same time. A photo for example can count as one file. It is
> > > > easy to determine the number of visits by looking at the time of the
> > > > access. If you have have 2 files accessed at the same time, that 
>would
> > > > be one visit.
> > > >
> > > > Someone on that computer visits the Dale's Blog several times most
> > > > days of the week, as many as twenty or thirty times in a seven hour
> > > > period between 7:30 am and 2:30 pm.
> > > >
> > > > How can access that many files? Let's do that math;
> > > >
> > > > 20 visits a day, 5 times a week equals 100 visits a week. If each
> > > > visit opened 7 files (including photos and graphs) that would be 700
> > > > files opened in one week, over 46 weeks of work in the year, that
> > > > would equals 32,200 accesses.
> > > >
> > > > This pretty much is the habit of logging in to Dale's blog from that
> > > > IP address if you look at the log of the file as I have.
> > > >
> > > > If a person were to spend their entire six hour shift monitoring a
> > > > Blog, they could hit a site 20 times in a day.
> > > >
> > > > What is the point of this? The point is that someone on the 
>taxpayer's
> > > > dime is monitoring a non related site, and is doing so against UI
> > > > policy. May I remind people also, that this is just one website 
>being
> > > > accessed by that computer. Is it possible this same computer is 
>going
> > > > to other sites as well during the day on the taxpayer's dime?
> > > >
> > > > I as a taxpayer, don't want to be paying someone to monitor Dale's
> > > > Blog. What a waste of UI resources.
> > > >
> > > > Donovan
> > >
> > >
> > >If he simply loads the page, looks for a new blog entry, and leaves his
> > >browser open, then it's not that bad. He just hits "refresh" every so
> > >often, possibly between doing other things. Just refresh, read a new
> > >comment or two, then come back to it in a half-hour or so. It's also
> > >possible he's using RSS feeds if the blog provides them, so it's not
> > >necessarily clear that he is even reading them at the times they are
> > >accessed. His RSS reader might be configured to check for new content
> > >on a regular interval.
> > >
> > >If he is spending a significant amount of time reading the blog 20 
>times
> > >a day every day instead of doing his work, then you may have a point.
> > >But let's not jump to conclusions just yet.
> > >
> > >Paul
> > >
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