[Vision2020] Panel Rejects Day-Care Rule - Working at Home
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Feb 28 17:32:29 PST 2007
I hear there is dog day care, cat day care and elderly day care as well as
regular day care for children...dare I suggest a husband day care?
J :]
>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>To: "Megan Prusynski" <megan at meganpru.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Panel Rejects Day-Care Rule - Working at Home
>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:29:38 -1000
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>There's another problem attached to working from home. It's the lack of
>validity often attached to a "working from home" job. I'm not talking
>about professional validity, but family validity. Maybe others have
>figured out how to do it, but many of the women who work from home are
>still seen by family members--husbands and dependent children as being
>there for them regardless. Even with an office in the home, "where's
>the peanut butter?" or "why did you wash only one of my white socks?"
>intervene---you get the drift--if you aren't a husband or dependent child.
>
>The solution. Well women who work at home take their children to daycare
>if they can afford it and god only knows what they do with their husbands.
>
>Sue Hovey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Megan Prusynski
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:10 AM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Panel Rejects Day-Care Rule - Working at Home
>
>
> I work at home here in Moscow. It's really easy to do and quite common
>in my field (graphic & web design) and I know of other designers in the
>area that do the same thing. I work for an organization based in Virginia,
>actually most of our web designers telecommute, as it saves on overhead as
>well as allowing us to be home with our families (which for me means I
>don't have to abandon my "furry children" all day). I also do freelance
>work from home. No commute so I use fewer fossil fuels, saves my employers
>and clients money since there's less overhead, and I get to work in my pjs
>if I so desire. Win-win situation! :)
>
>
> As for the day care bill, I am very sad to see this happen in Idaho. I
>used to intern for IdahoSTARS, a local non-profit that works to improve
>child care in the state (actually I worked with several of the people
>quoted in the article) so this issue really hits home. We definitely need
>better standards to improve child care in this state, and it's very sad to
>see that all the hard work done by the agencies hoping to improve Idaho's
>child care situation was in vain on this bill. It is blatant disregard for
>less fortunate working families in this state. How can mom stay home with
>the kids if she has to work two jobs just to support them on our extremely
>low minimum-wage? I certainly hope that things improve for child care in
>this state. Kinda makes me glad I don't have (human) children...
>
>
> peace,
> ~megan
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> On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:45 AM, vision2020-request at moscow.com wrote:
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> Tom asks:
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> "And just what work-at-home opportunities are there here in
>Vandalville,
>
> Roger?"
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> Web designer. Medical transcriptionist. Legal transcription.
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> Appointment coordinator. Data entry. "Virtual Assistant".
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> The stuff is out there. It's just a matter of looking for it. And it
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> may not even be *in* Moscow. But you will be.
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> I do know a young lady who has done pretty well for herself with
>website
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> design. She says she enjoys showing up to work in her jammies.
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> DC
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> Message: 5
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> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:45:55 -0800
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> From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at roadrunner.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ign'ant Idahoans against daycare
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> To: "'Sue Hovey'" <suehovey at moscow.com>, "'Debbie Gray'"
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> <graylex at yahoo.com>, "'vision2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> In part, Sue Hovey wrote:
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> "Just another example of the workings of those whose aim it is to
>protect
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> children from conception to birth."
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> BINGO!
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> Thanks, Debbie, for posting the article -- it was very informative,
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> distressing, and the outcome was ***incredibly*** disappointing :-(
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> Saundra Lund
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> Moscow, ID
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> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
>do
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> nothing.
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> - Edmund Burke
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> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra
>Lund.
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> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>
> On Behalf Of Sue Hovey
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:33 PM
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> To: Debbie Gray; vision2020
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ign'ant Idahoans against daycare
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> Yes, I'm a bit puzzled, too, at the contention this bill would somehow
>force
>
> parents to use day care. Tom Loertscher with his "what can we do to
>keep
>
> mom's at home?" probably voted against the minimum wage bill, too.
>I've
>
> always thought of him as one who isn't the sharpest knife in the
>drawer,
>
> even compared to JoAnn Wood--though she isn't ignorant, I think, just
>mean.
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> Of course the not so subtle message from these folks could be, "a
>loving
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> mother doesn't use day care, because we aren't going to provide you
>with the
>
> legal means to protect your child...." Just another example of the
>workings
>
> of those whose aim it is to protect children from conception to
>birth.
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> Sue Hovey
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Debbie Gray" <graylex at yahoo.com>
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> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:42 PM
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> Subject: [Vision2020] ign'ant Idahoans against daycare
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> So is the whole point that these ignorant people are
>
> trying to make daycare unsafe so as to keep moms at
>
> home? Or what? And even if moms (OR DADS) wanted to
>
> stay at home to care for their children 24/7, how many
>
> can afford to do that these days? Shouldn't it be a
>
> CHOICE??? Oh wait, R's don't like that word.
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> Debbie Gray
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> spokesman review
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> Panel rejects day-care rules
>
> House committee limits supporters; 2 members suggest
>
> mothers stay home
>
> Betsy Z. Russell
>
> February 27, 2007
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>
>
>
> BOISE With some members saying mothers should stay
>
> home with their
>
> children, members of a House committee on Monday
>
> killed legislation to
>
> require minimum safety standards and criminal
>
> history checks for Idaho day
>
> cares.
>
>
>
>
> "It's gut-wrenching for me," Rep. Tom Loertscher,
>
> R-Iona, said before the 6-5 vote against the bill.
>
> "What can we do to keep mom at home?"
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>
>
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> Loertscher said he "cannot imagine" ever taking a
>
> child to a day-care
>
> center and said, "There is no substitute, there is
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> absolutely no
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> substitute for families taking care of children."
>
>
>
>
> Rep. Steven Thayn, R-Emmett, said, "Being separate
>
> from your mother
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> there's reason to believe this could be harmful."
>
>
>
>
> The House Health and Welfare Committee kept backers
>
> of the day-care
>
> licensing bill waiting until long after 5 p.m. for a
>
> hearing that was
>
> scheduled to start at 1:30 after it was put off last
>
> week then limited
>
> them to three minutes apiece to testify in favor of
>
> the bill.
>
>
>
>
> A stunned Cathy Kowalski, a Coeur d'Alene early
>
> childhood consultant who
>
> has worked on the bill for three years, said, "I
>
> think it is a committee
>
> whose members are definitely out of touch with the
>
> needs of their
>
> constituents, and I think the working families in
>
> their districts need to
>
> let them know."
>
>
>
>
> Sylvia Chariton, who testified in favor of the bill
>
> on behalf of the
>
> American Association of University Women of Idaho,
>
> said, "It's ridiculous
>
> those men live in a time warp, when 60 percent of
>
> all mothers of children
>
> under 6 years of age take them someplace to be cared
>
> for."
>
>
>
>
> Rep. George Sayler, D-Coeur d'Alene, the bill's lead
>
> sponsor, told the
>
> committee, "For working parents it is a vital
>
> concern."
>
>
>
>
> His bill, HB 163, originally would have set minimal
>
> health and safety
>
> standards, training requirements, and staffing
>
> levels, and required
>
> criminal history checks for day cares caring for as
>
> few as two unrelated
>
> children, but he offered amendments to raise that to
>
> apply only to those
>
> caring for six or more children. "We're not trying
>
> to be burdensome,"
>
> Sayler told the committee.
>
>
>
>
> Karen Mason, executive director of the Idaho
>
> Association for the Education
>
> of Young Children, told of complaints her group has
>
> received about
>
> children being locked in rooms at day cares with no
>
> escape, infants never
>
> taken out of playpens, and unqualified caregivers
>
> with criminal
>
> backgrounds.
>
>
>
>
> Elena Rodriguez of Idaho Voices for Children said,
>
> "The current lack of
>
> adequate standards for child care puts children at
>
> risk. That's what we
>
> want to correct."
>
>
>
>
> More than 70,000 Idaho children under age 5 are in
>
> day care, Rodriguez
>
> told the committee.
>
>
>
>
> All the testimony was in favor of the bill, except
>
> that of one state
>
> representative, Rep. JoAn Wood, R-Rigby. Wood
>
> testified that when she
>
> served on the Health and Welfare Committee 25 years
>
> ago, "we had almost
>
> the same information brought to us."
>
>
>
>
> At that time, she said, the panel opted against
>
> state licensing for
>
> centers with fewer than 13 children. "I would plead
>
> with you I think it's
>
> working well," Wood told the committee. "We just
>
> don't see the problems
>
> there in the rural area where I am."
>
>
>
>
> Rep. John Rusche, D-Lewiston, a physician who serves
>
> on the committee,
>
> disagreed. He said he's seen terrible cases,
>
> including a toddler who
>
> drowned in a horse trough that wasn't separated from
>
> the day care and
>
> other children with severe injuries suffered in
>
> unsafe day cares.
>
>
>
>
> Nine Idaho cities, including Coeur d'Alene, have
>
> stricter day-care
>
> licensing rules, but operators who run afoul of city
>
> regulations can move
>
> outside city limits.
>
>
>
>
> Boise businessman Bill Ziegert told the panel, "Our
>
> world has changed, and
>
> we no longer live in a society where all preschool
>
> children stayed at home
>
> or were left with relatives." He said for his
>
> employees day care is
>
> essential, and he called the bill "important and
>
> necessary."
>
>
>
>
> Rep. Pete Nielsen, R-Mountain Home, said he thought
>
> that if the committee
>
> agreed to amend the bill, the backers would only try
>
> to remove the
>
> amendments in the future. "They only submitted the
>
> amendments to try and
>
> get us to buy off on this," he said.
>
>
>
>
> Rep. Lynn Luker, R-Boise, urged support.
>
> "When I first saw this bill I was not in favor of
>
> it, but with the
>
> amendments I am more supportive of it. Because in
>
> our society, it's
>
> different than it was 15 or 20 years ago," he said.
>
>
>
>
> Rep. Paul Shepherd, R-Riggins, said, "It's a tough
>
> one for me, because my
>
> district has some large communities that it will be
>
> a positive thing, but
>
> I also have way more communities that it will be
>
> detrimental. I don't see
>
> why we need to address it."
>
>
>
>
> Wood told the panel, "I think you're going to put a
>
> lot of young women
>
> that babysit out of business."
>
>
>
>
> In the final vote, the committee's three Democrats
>
> and two Republicans
>
> voted in favor of the amended bill. In addition to
>
> Rusche and Luker, they
>
> included Sharon Block, R-Idaho Falls; and Boise
>
> Democrats Sue Chew and Margaret Henbest.
>
>
>
>
> Six Republicans voted against the bill even as
>
> amended: Reps. Nielsen,
>
> Loertscher, Thayn and Shepherd; Janice McGeachin,
>
> R-Idaho Falls; and Jim
>
> Marriott, R-Blackfoot.
>
>
>
>
> Sayler said afterward, "What can I say it's
>
> disappointing. I'll tell you,
>
> frankly what I heard was not concern for children it
>
> was concern about
>
> regulation. Our society has changed."
>
>
>
>
> Ziegert, the Boise businessman, said, "It was
>
> amazing to me, that you
>
> could have all of the testimony in support of it,
>
> people with facts and so
>
> forth," and still the committee rejected the bill.
>
>
>
>
> Kowalski said, "The problem has not been solved.
>
> The issue will not go
>
> away."
>
>
>
>
> House Bill 163 originally would have set minimal
>
> health and safety
>
> standards, training requirements, and staffing
>
> levels, and required
>
> criminal history checks for day cares caring for as
>
> few as two unrelated
>
> children.
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