[Vision2020] Life after death?

[heirdoug at netscape.net]

Ralph, I may be pitiful in your eyes. But you are to be most pittied. 
To live your life with only hope in yourself and your meager 
accomplishments. "What shall it profit a man, to gain the whole world 
and loose his very soul."

I don't believe I ever said that believe in the Bible. I think I said 
or inferred that I believe that the Bible is the True word of a Triune 
God.

I believe in the author of the Bible. I believe in one God, the Father 
Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and 
invisible; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, 
begotten of his Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, 
very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with 
the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our 
salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of 
the Virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under 
Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried; and the third day he rose 
again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and 
sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and he shall come again, with 
glory, to judge both the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have 
no end. And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord, and Giver of Life, 
who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the 
Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets.  
And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church; I acknowledge one 
baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of 
the dead, and the life of the world to come.

What do you believe in Ralph? And when did you deny your baptisim?

Doug!


-----Original Message-----
From: nielsen at uidaho.edu
To: heirdoug at netscape.net
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: Life after death?

Doug,

You are pitiful. You claim you believe in the Bible but you obviously 
do not. There is nothing about life after death in the Psalms, no 
matter how loud you sing them.

You dragged 2 verses out of context from Ezekiel, but they deal with 
deportees returning to Jerusalem after the Exile. Again, absolutely 
nothing about life after death. Why do you bother quoting from the 
Bible if you don't believe what it says?

Get real, Doug. There isn't any life after death; there is only life 
before death. So make the most of it. Don't waste your time on escapist 
fantasies.

"Go, eat your bread with enjoyment, and drink your wine with a merry 
heart; for God has long ago approved what you do. ... Whatever your 
hand finds to do, do with your might; for there is no work or thought 
or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going" (Ecclesiastes 
9:7,10).

Have a nice night, Doug.

Ralph

On Feb 26, 2007, at 5:48 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:

> Ralph,
>
> If you say that you believe what you say here, you really do have > 
NO hope for life after death.
>
> How very, very sad!
>
> I guess that those imprecatory Psalm songs have no effect on that > 
"exterior of stone" you have around your heart and shriveled soul.
>
> "I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; > 
I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart > of 
flesh." (Ezekiel 11:19)
>
> "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will > 
remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of > flesh." 
(Ezekiel 36:26)

Heirdoug

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nielsen at uidaho.edu
> To: heirdoug at netscape.net
>
> Sorry, Doug. Don't forget that "those who go down to Sheol do not > 
come up" (Job 7:9). And you don't have a "living spirit" that is > 
separate from your body. So you want to reside in heaven with your > 
creator? Have you forgotten what he said soon after the creation?
>
> Then the LORD God said, "See, the man has become like one of us, > 
knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and > take 
also from the tree of life, and eat, and live > forever" (Genesis 
3:22).
>
> So the LORD God drove the man out of the garden of Eden and placed > 
the cherubim with a flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of > 
life (vv. 23-24).
>
> So just get this into your little head, Doug. God doesn't want you > 
or anybody else to live forever with him in heaven. When you die > you 
will return to the dust from which you were made, your body > together 
with the operating system you like to call a "living > spirit." And the 
rest of God's creation will continue on its merry > way without you. 
Your dust, of course, will be recycled, but > eventually you will be 
forgotten, just as the Bible says. Read > Ecclesiastes 9:1-12. When did 
you stop believing it.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 4:27 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:
>
>> Yes Ralph if you say so.
>>
>> But my hope is still in the resurrection of that dead body to be >
> rejoined with my living spirit that would be residing in the > > 
presence of the Creator of the Universe, the Savior you mentioned > > 
from Isaiah 43:11.
>>
>> So I will ask my question once again... When did you stop believing?
>>
>> Doug !
>>

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