[Vision2020] MSD Pay and Tenure--a reply
Donovan Arnold
donovanarnold@hotmail.com
Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:11:46 -0700
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<P>We agree that vouchers are not a good idea. That is good.</P>
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<P>We also agree that diversity and improving education for children should be a goal. That is good.</P>
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<P>We also agree that fingering out one particular person and taking money from them is wrong. Done in a group, or on an individual basis. That is good.</P>
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<P>However, I guess where we really disagree is the basic function and rights of government over that of the rights of individual. </P>
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<P>Lets take your argument about:</P>
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<P>"You and I are walking down the street and we see disabled person begging for money. You turn to me and say we should give some money to the person, and I say if you feel inclined to do so, then go ahead, as I have given money to someone else. Then you reach into my pocket and take out a dollar and give it them."</P>
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<P>First, you are assuming that I would think that handing them money would solve their problem. I don't. I think the community working together to provide them jobs, the ability to live independently, and educational and vocational training should be given. Not saying I am against that person being given a little money. However, I have never done this, if anything, I will ask what they are going to spend the money on. If they say food, I buy them a sandwich. I lived in Washington DC and learned very quickly many will use your money to buy smokes, drugs, or alcohol. That is not helping nearly as well as giving them a job.</P>
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<P>Second, I would not ask you as an individual for money. I don't know your financial situation or the person on the street asking for monies situation either. I can guess, but it would probably be off.</P>
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<P>Third, Let us review the situation based on your idea of being able to decide what taxes you choose to spend.</P>
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<P>A Native American sees you on the lawn in front of your house. He pulls a gun and shoots you. Takes your house and wife as his property. Why should we do something about it. Your on his land. You aren't paying taxes to the police, even if you were, who cares, you aren't anymore, your dead. Should I fund your justice with my hard earned dollars. </P>
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<P>A more realistic scenario: Your house catches on fire. The fire department shows, realizes you are late on your payments and decides not to put out the fire. So what if your aren't late and choose to pay taxes for the fire department. Big deal, your house is still cindered, and the insurance companies decided they didn't want to pay you. What are you going to do about, you didn't pay your taxes on the Court System, jails, prisons, and the lawyers and legislatures that made those laws. If you did, then great, you are now doing what is currently the reason we have taxation system.</P>
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<P>Another scenario: You are visiting your friend who lives in another neighborhood. You drive through his neighborhood and park your car on the street. You get out visit your friend and when you get back you notice your car is gone. Instead you see an angry mop awaits you. Why, because you are using their road. A road which they paid taxes for and you didn't. So they took your car to pay for it. </P>
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<P>If you did pay taxes for all the roads, then great, you are supporting the taxation system.</P>
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<P>You see John, all these things were hashed out by bright intelligent people before we came along. They did not just set these things out to "steal" money from you. <STRONG><U><EM>If you did not pay your taxes you are in fact stealing from everyone else. </EM></U></STRONG>You use the roads, fire department, police, courts, schools, parks, libraries, jails, sewer, water, hospitals, and military either directly or indirectly everyday. You are profiting from them. Just as you are in fact profiting from the public educational system. To take the hard labor of others and not pay for it is you stealing from those that do. </P>
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<P>You may not have the intelligence to realize how paying for a public school system, or any service benefits you, but it does in many ways and allows you to have a job, a home, and the freedoms you enjoy.</P>
<P>You can't live in this country without benifieting from the public goods and services they provide each other and thus you are benifieting from the fruits and labors of others, and not paying for it IS STEALING from them. The only way not to do so is to leave the country. And you are welcome to do so, nobody will stop you.</P>
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<P>John, if you truly, truly, believe that taxing you is a "MOB STEALING" from you then why not refuse to pay your taxes. Do not try to say that you would go to jail either. Because it would be a jury that convicts you, not the "government". You can explain to them your theory that it is the government stealing from you and that you should not have to be "forced to pay" the government. If you do pay your taxes, then you are admitting that you are not standing on firm ground in your arguments and that you are indeed a hypocrite. </P>
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<P>Thanks!</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: John Harrell <JOHNBHARRELL@YAHOO.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>To: Donovan Arnold <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>, dale@courtneys.us, vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] MSD Pay and Tenure--a reply
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
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<DIV></DIV>>Addressing the issue of Logos, I don't know what goes on at Logos.
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<DIV></DIV>>You will have to ask them. My point is that I agreed with you that
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<DIV></DIV>>Choice, I am all for it! Diversity, I am all for it!
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<DIV></DIV>>"School Choice" "School Diversity"
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<DIV></DIV>>I also have never even brought up the issue of vouchers. Some people
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<DIV></DIV>>vouchers. It still involves government and it still involves theft in
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<DIV></DIV>>in an alley, one hundred people steal from you in a park, or whether
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<DIV></DIV>>theft. Taxation as described may raise greater money but it is done
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<DIV></DIV>>through coercion and force and again is basically theft. Taxation as
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<DIV></DIV>>Davy Crocket ran into this issue regarding taxation in the name
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<DIV></DIV>>Another way of thinking about this is as follows: You and I are walking
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<DIV></DIV>>--- Donovan Arnold <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>>Sorry, I thought you did have children in the public school system. Based on your
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<DIV></DIV>>assumption that I was involving myself in your FAMILY. Clearly I am not that this just a
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<DIV></DIV>>paranoid assumption that you have about the government and you inability to control your
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<DIV></DIV>>own life on you own. I have no problem doing this like most Americans despite the
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<DIV></DIV>>I was angry because I was under the impression that you did send your kids to the public
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<DIV></DIV>>I don't believe in selective taxation, as you are suggesting should be done. It is a
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<DIV></DIV>>You think we won the revolutionary won on voluntary taxation of the people? We didn't, we
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<DIV></DIV>>Nonetheless, I have no sympathy for you if you can afford to send your children to Logos
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<DIV></DIV>>I also want you to pay off the debt before getting one cent back in taxes. This is a
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<DIV></DIV>>Also, what disability services does Logos Provide, you never answered that question?
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<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] MSD Pay and Tenure--a reply
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