[Vision2020] Cost of Government Day

[Ted Moffett]

Dale et. al.

This is really funny.

You need to read more carefully.  Notice that I did not say it was 
impossible for ATR to present their case with no bias.  I said that to 
expect them to do so on taxes and income is like expecting the World 
Socialist Web Site to also do so on capitalism and taxes.  So if it is 
possible for the WSWS to be unbiased, then indeed it is also possible for 
ATR.

Bias is a reality, Mr. Courtney, and to point out that an organization has a 
bias is to acknowledge reality.
The case as to whether or not they can present the facts without bias 
perhaps reflects a bias of yours, no personal attack meant.

I do have biases on many issues that color my arguments and fact gathering 
orientation.

So are you going to claim no bias, Dale?

I asked YOU, the person who presented the facts from ATR at first on V2020, 
to back up these facts with references and to answer some important 
questions about the data.

You did not answer my questions that clearly exposed how misleading some of 
the info was you posted from ATR on the number of days an "average" worker 
must work to pay their taxes.

Instead I get this condescending nonsense about looking up a phrase I 
learned the meaning of 35 years ago.

Time to think outside the box, Mr. Courtney.  Your bias and agenda is 
limiting the options you will consider to explain reality.  You refuse to 
answer important questions that reflect on the logic and facts of your case 
in this matter, just as you did with the public vs. private school debate.

Yours in argument ad hominem,

Ted

>From: thansen@moscow.com
>To: "Dale Courtney" <dale@courtneys.us>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Cost of Government Day
>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:13:07 GMT
>
>This is true, Mr. Courtney.  Taxes have been increasing.  And with an
>increasing national deficit, those taxes will increase even more.  Nothing 
>is
>free, Mr. Courtney.  Programs cost money.  The Defense costs money.  Wars 
>cost
>money.
>
>You see, Mr. Courtney, my definition is (as I have stated before) "Free 
>only
>means that somebody else pays for it."  Unfortunately that "somebody else" 
>may
>be our next generation.
>
>A tax reduction in the face of an ever increasing deficit borders on 
>absolute
>stupidity.  The money to pay for the programs, Defense, wars, etc. etc. 
>MUST
>come from somewhere.
>
>Unless you have found a money tree, the American people will have to pay 
>the
>bills.
>
>Always willing to pay my share,
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
> > > Dale et. al.
> > >
> > > To expect the information on the web site Dale gave from
> > > Americans For Tax
> > > Reform to be accurate, unbiased and comprehensive in it's
> > > analysis of the
> > > whole economic picture regarding income and taxation, is like
> > > expecting the
> > > virtues of capitalism and the evils of taxation to be presented in an
> > > unbiased, accurate and comprehensive manner at the following web site:
> > >
> > > http://www.wsws.org
> >
> > Ted,
> >
> > I recommend that you take a deep breath and go look up the meaning of
> > argumentum ad hominem (abusive).  Attack the data, not the presenter of 
>the
> > data. It's a nice distraction but doesn't deal with the fact.
> >
> > Does ATR have an agenda? Clearly. Does that mean that they cannot 
>present
> > the information without bias?
> >
> > Even if you don't like the inclusion of the regulations, we can still 
>agree
> > upon the amount of federal and state taxation, can't we? And that's been
> > increasing?
> >
> > Best,
> > Dale Courtney
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >
>
>
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