[Vision2020] uranium denial--GUTLESS DEMOS?
Dale Courtney
dale@courtneys.us
Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:58:31 -0700
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Sunil,
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I don't have enough information to make a judgment about who knew what =
when
-- especially when the story changes every day. I thought Bush might =
bite it
until Tenet came out admitting that it was his agency that was =
responsible
for the uranium claim in the Address. And now Bush is on the side of
defending his Intelligence Team (see
<http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0ct=3D-354>
http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0ct=3D-354).=20
=20
Let's let it shake out and see what the lawyers figure out -- they =
always
get to the truth, don't 'cha know...
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Best,
Dale
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] =
On
Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2003 18:43
To: timlohr@yahoo.com; tomh@FNA.fsn.uidaho.edu
Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] uranium denial--GUTLESS DEMOS?
Tim,
You're a little too generous to the Republicans who impeached Clinton. =
They
didn't do it out of courage of selflesness; they did it because they =
thought
they had enough votes to succeed, and they thought the public would =
rally
around them. I doubt they believed they were taking any risks. They =
turned
out to be wrong. But let's not confuse vote-counting and a calculated
gamble with courage.
The Democrats won't try to impeach Bush now because they don't have the
votes. The only way that's going to happen now is if Republicans join =
in.
Since right now their leadership is working on restricting =
investigations,
it's not likely they will get on an impeachment bandwagon. Maybe if =
more
facts come out, but the White House is clearly counting on public apathy =
on
this, just as they are with the continuing deaths in Iraq.
Don't think I'm saying the Dems haven't been cowards on this issue. Of
course they have, huge herds of them, and I'll remember who voted for =
the
October resolution when the primary rolls around. =20
Dale, surely you are employing irony when you write of Tenet "allowing =
the
uranium claim to be believed by the President." You're not really =
saying it
happened that way, are you? Not when in October 2002 Tenet tells the =
White
House not to use it in a speech, and then in January '03 it shows up =
again.
You're not really saying someone in the White House forgot that it was =
false
in three months, are you?
Please. =20
Look at the official reactions now. Rumsfeld and Rice come out and
basically say, "Well, the statement was factually true, since the =
British
were making the claim, and that's what the President said in his =
speech."
It's pretty clear that the White House wanted to make the claim that =
Hussein
was trying to buy uranium from an African state, and they couldn't say =
that
the CIA had learned this, so they found a different way to say it. They
must have forgotten that the CIA was telling the British that the story =
was
no good, and they shouldn't use it. Maybe in the week between the State =
of
the Union speech and Colin Powell's Feb. 5 speech at the U.N. they =
learned
the truth. Oh, wait, Rice says she didn't know until when, last month? =
How
did Powell know to keep that one out of his speech if the CIA was hiding
this info?
If there's something that should be pretty obvious by now, it's that the
Project for the New American Century folks that are running our foreign, =
I'm
sorry, military policy, don't want to pay attention to news that they =
don't
like. They wanted this war going back to at least '98, and they weren't
about to let a few facts get in the way.
Sunil Ramalingam
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D504345301-15072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 =
size=3D2>Sunil,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D504345301-15072003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 =
size=3D2>I=20
don't have enough information to make a judgment about who knew what =
when --=20
especially when the story changes every day. I thought Bush might bite =
it until=20
Tenet came out admitting that it was his agency that was responsible for =
the=20
uranium claim in the Address. And now Bush is on the side of defending =
his=20
Intelligence Team (see <A=20
href=3D"http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0ct=3D-354"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New =
Roman">http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0ct=3D-354</FONT></A>).=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D504345301-15072003>Let's=20
let it shake out and see what the lawyers figure out -- they always get =
to the=20
truth, don't 'cha know...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D504345301-15072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800000><FONT size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Best,</FONT><BR></FONT><FONT face=3D"Vladimir Script"=20
size=3D5>Dale</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>Sunil Ramalingam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 14 July, 2003=20
18:43<BR><B>To:</B> timlohr@yahoo.com; =
tomh@FNA.fsn.uidaho.edu<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] uranium=20
denial--GUTLESS DEMOS?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P>Tim,</P></DIV>
<P>You're a little too generous to the Republicans who impeached=20
Clinton. They didn't do it out of courage of selflesness; they =
did it=20
because they thought they had enough votes to succeed, and they =
thought the=20
public would rally around them. I doubt they believed they were =
taking=20
any risks. They turned out to be wrong. But let's not =
confuse=20
vote-counting and a calculated gamble with courage.</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>The Democrats won't try to impeach Bush now because they don't have =
the=20
votes. The only way that's going to happen now is if Republicans =
join=20
in. Since right now their leadership is working on restricting=20
investigations, it's not likely they will get on an impeachment=20
bandwagon. Maybe if more facts come out, but the White House is =
clearly=20
counting on public apathy on this, just as they are with the =
continuing deaths=20
in Iraq.</P>
<P>Don't think I'm saying the Dems haven't been cowards on this =
issue. =20
Of course they have, huge herds of them, and I'll remember who voted =
for the=20
October resolution when the primary rolls around. </P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>Dale, surely you are employing irony when you write of Tenet =
"allowing the=20
uranium claim to be believed by the President." You're not =
really saying=20
it happened that way, are you? Not when in October 2002 Tenet =
tells the=20
White House not to use it in a speech, and then in January '03 it =
shows up=20
again. You're not really saying someone in the White House =
forgot that=20
it was false in three months, are you?</P>
<P>Please. </P>
<P>Look at the official reactions now. Rumsfeld and Rice come =
out and=20
basically say, "Well, the statement was factually true, since the =
British were=20
making the claim, and that's what the President said in his =
speech." =20
It's pretty clear that the White House wanted to make the claim that =
Hussein=20
was trying to buy uranium from an African state, and they couldn't say =
that=20
the CIA had learned this, so they found a different way to say =
it. They=20
must have forgotten that the CIA was telling the British that the =
story was no=20
good, and they shouldn't use it. Maybe in the week between the =
State of=20
the Union speech and Colin Powell's Feb. 5 speech at the U.N. they =
learned the=20
truth. Oh, wait, Rice says she didn't know until when, last =
month? =20
How did Powell know to keep that one out of his speech if the CIA was =
hiding=20
this info?</P>
<P>If there's something that should be pretty obvious by now, it's =
that the=20
Project for the New American Century folks that are running our =
foreign, I'm=20
sorry, military policy, don't want to pay attention to news that they =
don't=20
like. They wanted this war going back to at least '98, and they =
weren't=20
about to let a few facts get in the way.</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>Sunil Ramalingam<BR> </P>
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