[Vision2020] Hangin' is too good for him; just let him bleed slowly

Mon Mar 11 12:08:17 PDT 2019

Hi Sunil,
If you had read the article carefully, the author was talking about
impeachment as a metaphorical hanging. It's the same meaning that Clarence
Thomas used when he declared that he had been "lynched." Similarly, with 2
years of investigations as the preferred "bleeding." And I certainly agree.
Nick

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 8:37 AM Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com> wrote:

> I was merely responding to a suggestion concerning tough punishments.
>
> I, personally , even if I had the authority, would NEVER . . . EVER . .
> .impose such cruel punishment.
>
> * OK . . . maybe an hour with Walter Steed . . .
> https://youtu.be/6DtRFBxmyS0
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Maybe we should ask if this is the way to treat anyone.
>
> Sunil
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> on
> behalf of Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 5:30 PM
> *To:* Nicholas Gier
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> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Hangin' is too good for him; just let him
> bleed slowly
>
> A worse punishment I believe to be worse than bleeding slowly . . . would
> be to put Trump in solitary confinement for the rest of his life . . .
> absolutelyNO HUMAN INTERACTION.  A jail guard would place Trump’s meals in
> a slider connected to Trump’s cell.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
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> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From the New Yorker, by Leo Vidal
>
>  The *New Yorker *suggests that when dealing with Trump, Democrats take
> their cue from the way the good guys often dealt with villains in old movie
> westerns. They would often say “Hanging’s too good for him” when dealing
> with an especially heinous bad guy, and that could apply to our current
> president:
>
> *“In this case, impeachment is seen as too rarefied, too technical a
> proceeding to end Trumpism. Trump should be defeated at the polls; ejecting
> him in any other way provides too many opportunities for after-the-fact
> stab-in-the-back recriminations, and will only further convince his base
> that the ‘deep state’ conspired against him.”*
>
> The *New Yorker* goes on to point out that Trump — and his family — are
> facing multiple investigations that will continue to hurt him at the polls.
> And, while going through the motions of impeachment might make some
> Democrats feel good, it also might help the president by allowing him to
> play the victim (which he is very good at).
>
> Despite Support for Impeaching Trump, Democrats Will Be Better Off Waiting
>
> Lately we have seen increasing support for impeachment in public opinion
> polls,
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F06%2Fmichael-cohen-trump-impeachment.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104548828&sdata=%2B2oMzQ8Kb5sv89l4ov9WxghdC1OHElsNZVc3g2utF80%3D&reserved=0> especially
> those taken after Michael Cohen’s testimony before Congress.
>
> Many Democrats in Congress don’t want to wait for the Mueller report
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F09%2Fwaters-democrats-mueller-report-impeachment.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104558839&sdata=qzAV%2B%2FSlUqd%2FeqvEjerGGAwP%2Bgayv%2Fi1sfpcgZiTyVI%3D&reserved=0> to
> begin impeachment proceedings, saying that there is more than enough
> evidence right now
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F04%2Ftrump-impeachment-threshold.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104568851&sdata=uADWL0FiITLAJV9A%2Beg8Dz9%2BHZRhCVkk4tjldxoyk5w%3D&reserved=0> to
> start the process.
>
> Last week we reported:
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F04%2Freport-house-democrats-plan-to-bleed-trump-slowly-with-investigations.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104578868&sdata=HqqCQj6SjAkaYHzLQPZdU5Z3s1HYTawG5bCR9th8ROU%3D&reserved=0>
>
> *“Democrats in the House of Representatives are planning to roll out a
> lengthy series of investigations into President Donald Trump’s finances and
> his administration over the next few months as part of a long-term strategy
> to remove Trump from office.”*
>
> And there is no question that the many probes that Trump
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F03%2Fap-house-dems-begin-new-probes-that-could-end-trumps-presidency.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104588867&sdata=3Tw5gyWM%2BipMZjG3L3OD6H5MMsTdhiY7OHNER3JOgPo%3D&reserved=0>,
> his family, his associates, and his administration will face in coming
> months will hurt the president politically.
>
> As a matter of fact, Donald Trump may very well be indicted
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F02%2F18%2Freport-trump-may-be-indicted-by-the-sdny-as-they-probe-his-crimes.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104598873&sdata=gg1d8eEKhuz40X%2BOnF5rx4L%2FmIRkzu6TKDUWsmTdpXI%3D&reserved=0>and
> charged with various crimes while he is still in office, and this could
> actually lead him to resign.
> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F02%2F22%2Fanalysis-imminent-indictment-may-soon-cause-trump-to-resign.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104608884&sdata=60vDRAIAmmv4VOA9zpANLdwgQiC079HXzW7xmFD%2Bi3M%3D&reserved=0>
>
> It’s Better to Bleed Trump Slowly
>
> So the *New Yorker* is probably correct. It is better politically for
> Democrats to “bleed Trump slowly” through upcoming indictments and public
> hearings. Ultimately it may be more emotionally satisfying as well.
>
> Donald Trump is the kind of villain for whom a long, slow, painful death
> is much deserved. In his case it is indeed true that “hanging’s too good
> for him.”
> Leo Vidal
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>
> I am a lifelong Democrat with a passion for social justice and progressive
> issues. I have degrees in writing, economics and law from the University of
> Iowa.
>
>
> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they
> shall never sit in.
>
> -Greek proverb
>
> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>
> --Immanuel Kant
>
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A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they
shall never sit in.

-Greek proverb

“Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.

--Immanuel Kant
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