[Vision2020] Stand your ground

Thu Mar 22 15:58:59 PDT 2018

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Tom Hansen
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But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

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> On Mar 22, 2018, at 3:41 PM, "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com> wrote:
> 
> So if Otter had these concerns why didn't he veto it? Because ALEC, the NRA, and the RNC told him not to. We need an independent governor for Idaho. One who has the huevos to stand up for what is right...and sane. 
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>   1. Otter lets ?stand your ground? law take effect, though he
>       says it would OK shooting mischievous kids (Moscow Cares)
>   2. Re: Otter lets ?stand your ground? law take effect, though he
>       says it would OK shooting mischievous kids (Moscow Cares)
>   3. Trump Attacks the Russia Investigation in Twitter Storm
>       (Tom Hansen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:02:33 -0700
> From: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Otter lets ?stand your ground? law take effect,
>     though he says it would OK shooting mischievous kids
> Message-ID: <321A54F1-57DF-413C-9AB4-379D2E6151EB at moscow.com>
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> Courtesy of today?s (March 22, 2018) Spokesman Review.
> 
> ???????????????
> 
> Otter lets ?stand your ground? law take effect, though he says it would OK shooting mischievous kids
> 
> BOISE ? Idaho Gov. Butch Otter on Wednesday allowed a ?stand your ground? gun rights bill to become law without his signature ? though he said it would legally allow mischievous Idaho kids to be shot to death.
> 
> The bill was promoted as writing into state law longstanding protections under Idaho case law and jury instructions for actions taken in self-defense, including that state law recognizes no duty to retreat when one is threatened. But opponents said it went further, changing the burden of proof so that someone who has killed another person is considered innocent if that person was entering their home, business, car or property.
> 
> ?I commend those portions of SB 1313 that codify existing case law and recognize the sanctity of private property,? Otter wrote in a letter to Lt. Gov. Brad Little, in Little?s capacity as president of the Senate. ?However, a thorough review of this bill reveals some concerns that warrant further review during the next legislative session. Among my biggest concerns are the potential unintended consequences on our children.?
> 
> Otter offered two examples: He said a juvenile who broke into an RV to steal a soda and was discovered by the RV?s owner could legally be shot to death under the bill. And he said rural teenagers who sneaked into a cornfield in the middle of the night could be legally killed under the bill, ?simply because the teenagers used stealth to sneak onto the property and are unlawfully trespassing.?
> 
> The bill, as written, he said, ?will exonerate killings that otherwise would be considered unreasonable.?
> 
> The bill passed the Idaho Senate on a 29-6 party-line vote, with all Republicans voting yes and all Democrats no. It passed the House 57-12.
> 
> ??????????????-
> 
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
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> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:13:08 -0700
> From: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Otter lets ?stand your ground? law take
>     effect, though he says it would OK shooting mischievous kids
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> Gov. Butch Otter explained his concerns about Idaho?s new ?stand your ground? law in a letter. He allowed the bill, SB 1313, to become law without his signature, so it will take effect on July 1.
> 
> Governor Otter?s letter
> https://gov.idaho.gov/mediacenter/Bills/SB%201313,%202018.pdf
> 
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> > On Mar 22, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Courtesy of today?s (March 22, 2018) Spokesman Review.
> > 
> > ???????????????
> > 
> > Otter lets ?stand your ground? law take effect, though he says it would OK shooting mischievous kids
> > 
> > BOISE ? Idaho Gov. Butch Otter on Wednesday allowed a ?stand your ground? gun rights bill to become law without his signature ? though he said it would legally allow mischievous Idaho kids to be shot to death.
> > 
> > The bill was promoted as writing into state law longstanding protections under Idaho case law and jury instructions for actions taken in self-defense, including that state law recognizes no duty to retreat when one is threatened. But opponents said it went further, changing the burden of proof so that someone who has killed another person is considered innocent if that person was entering their home, business, car or property.
> > 
> > ?I commend those portions of SB 1313 that codify existing case law and recognize the sanctity of private property,? Otter wrote in a letter to Lt. Gov. Brad Little, in Little?s capacity as president of the Senate. ?However, a thorough review of this bill reveals some concerns that warrant further review during the next legislative session. Among my biggest concerns are the potential unintended consequences on our children.?
> > 
> > Otter offered two examples: He said a juvenile who broke into an RV to steal a soda and was discovered by the RV?s owner could legally be shot to death under the bill. And he said rural teenagers who sneaked into a cornfield in the middle of the night could be legally killed under the bill, ?simply because the teenagers used stealth to sneak onto the property and are unlawfully trespassing.?
> > 
> > The bill, as written, he said, ?will exonerate killings that otherwise would be considered unreasonable.?
> > 
> > The bill passed the Idaho Senate on a 29-6 party-line vote, with all Republicans voting yes and all Democrats no. It passed the House 57-12.
> > 
> > ??????????????-
> > 
> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> > 
> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
> >  
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> > 
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> > 
> > - John Lennon
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> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:26:43 -0700
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Trump Attacks the Russia Investigation in
>     Twitter Storm
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> ?Trump Attacks the Russia Investigation in Twitter Storm?
> By Calvin Trillin, Deadline Poet
> 
> Trump?s showing willingness to litter 
> The Internet with trash on Twitter 
> About the probe. Does this show fear 
> That Robert Mueller?s drawing near? 
> This sort of ranting may provide 
> More proof Trump?s got a lot to hide.
> 
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> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
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> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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