[Vision2020] Jared Kushner used private email for official business
g crabtree
direoutcome at gmail.com
Fri Sep 29 17:29:23 PDT 2017
I'm starting to think that this is a prank. I understand that you are more
than a little desperate to have somebody pay attention to your pennings,
and the solution seems obvious, a paid readership. Granted it might be a
bit embarrassing to have to resort to what amounts to bribery to have your
thoughts taken seriously but, it might result in having a small following.
Not me, mind you, but surely somebody would be willing to trade precious
time for adequate compensation. If the choice is to read your maunderings
or have you declare yourself the penultimate purveyor of political prose,
all I can say is all hail the self proclaimed "pundit."
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. Crabtree:
>
> We don't need a court of law to determine that the Benghazi charges
> against Hillary are true. None of those I addressed in my column are based
> on points of law. Some of the charges, for example, show ignorance of how
> the State Department works. The procedures for signing cables or sending
> out them out under the Secretary's name are not my opinion, but simply a
> fact.
>
> You can be your own judge and refute the points I made. They stand until
> you come up with rebuttals.
>
> nfg
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:52 PM, g crabtree <direoutcome at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Hillary Clinton has never been charged with a crime, so she cannot be
>> prosecuted for anything."
>>
>> I'm almost certain that was the point I made In the last three postings.
>> No prosecution, no exoneration.
>>
>> "In stark contrast Trump has been in court many times, and most recently
>> had to pay out $25 million for his defrauding students at his fake
>> university and a $25,000 fine concerning his phony foundation. Years
>> earlier he settled a housing discrimination suit in which he and his father
>> were clearly guilty."
>>
>> OK, so what? Could you please point out so much as a single instance of
>> my praise for trump or an occurrence of my claiming he was some sort of
>> paragon of virtue? Or what this has to do with the topic at hand?
>>
>> "Millions of dollars was spent on the Whitewater investigation and she
>> was cleared, and the special prosecutor in that case came out in defense of
>> Hillary during the election."
>>
>> At what point was whitewater ever a part of this discussion?
>>
>> "None of the Benghazi charges stuck in the 9-hour hearing, so, yes, the
>> desperate GOP Congressmen looked like fools."
>>
>> Once again,* your* opinion. The allegations "stuck" in so much as they
>> laid bare hillary's e-mail/server/veracity issues and very much helped
>> to lose her the election. Not foolish at all in *my* opinion.
>>
>> "You have to show that the Benghazi charges do stick, or you have lost
>> the argument pure and simple."
>>
>> As I have stated ad nauseam, where it comes to Benghazi there was no
>> prosecution and there was no exoneration. For charges (as opposed to
>> allegations) to stick someone would have to bring charges (Congress does
>> not have this power) If setting up your own arbitrary (and illogical)
>> standard for success in this dialogue brings you pleasure, by all means
>> declare me the loser and enjoy your momentous victory.
>>
>> g
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Crabtree:
>>>
>>> Hillary Clinton has never been charged with a crime, so she cannot be
>>> prosecuted for anything. In stark contrast Trump has been in court many
>>> times, and most recently had to pay out $25 million for his defrauding
>>> students at his fake university and a $25,000 fine concerning his phony
>>> foundation. Years earlier he settled a housing discrimination suit in which
>>> he and his father were clearly guilty.
>>>
>>> Millions of dollars was spent on the Whitewater investigation and she
>>> was cleared, and the special prosecutor in that case came out in defense of
>>> Hillary during the election. None of the Benghazi charges stuck in the
>>> 9-hour hearing, so, yes, the desperate GOP Congressmen looked like fools.
>>>
>>> You are the one that is playing a cowardly game of evasion. You have to
>>> show that the Benghazi charges do stick, or you have lost the argument pure
>>> and simple.
>>>
>>> Eagerly awaiting your responses,
>>>
>>> nfg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 2:44 PM, g crabtree <direoutcome at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh dear, I'm afraid that we have played this game before. You express
>>>> an opinion and declare it fact unless refuted. The challenge is reluctantly
>>>> accepted and a response is given only to have you alter the subject
>>>> slightly (and insist one of your interminable ramblings be read) and
>>>> blithely carry on. This discussion is no different. I have no interest in
>>>> your never ending game of progressive dodge ball.
>>>>
>>>> I will go back to the original basis for the conversation. It was
>>>> asserted that hillary was prosecuted and exonerated for her e-mails. She
>>>> was not. The assertion was shifted to the Benghazi debacle. Same result, a
>>>> congressional investigation is not a prosecution and she was not
>>>> exonerated. You claimed that "GOP congressmen looked like fools" and that
>>>> "hillary proved her toughness for the presidency right then and there."
>>>> This is your opinion and no amount of facts can be brought to bear on a
>>>> processes that occurs solely in your imagination.
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Crabtree: You are evading my challenge. Yes, fact-based analysis
>>>>> is sometimes tedious, but all of my assertions stand unless you can refute
>>>>> them. That is the basic rule of debate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eagerly awaiting your reply,
>>>>>
>>>>> nfg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 7:07 AM, g crabtree <direoutcome at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure which "points" you imagine "stand" but, rather than
>>>>>> endure the tedium of reading one of your columns, I'll just concede that
>>>>>> hrc is really super dooper and proved her presidential bonafidies during
>>>>>> the hearing such that none could possibly deny her rightful place as dear
>>>>>> leader of the USA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Crabtree:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have appended my column once again, because it was previously
>>>>>>> sent to you alone. I correct only the fact that I quoted one military
>>>>>>> expert not many.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Letters from Gen. Dana Chipman, the committee’s own former chief
>>>>>>> counsel with 33 years’ military experience, have now been released.
>>>>>>> In one to former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Chipman states: “I think
>>>>>>> you ordered exactly the right forces to move out and to head toward a
>>>>>>> position where they could reinforce what was occurring in Benghazi.”
>>>>>>> Contrary to the right-wing press, there were no orders for those forces to
>>>>>>> stand down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I challenge you to counter anything I've written in this column.
>>>>>>> Until you do, the points stand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nfg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Benghazi: The GOP is Beating a Dead Horse*
>>>>>>> *None of the Charges Against Clinton are True*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The GOP House Select Committee on Benghazi has
>>>>>>> interviewed 100 witnesses, spent $7 million of its own funds, and has
>>>>>>> forced other agencies to spend an additional $13 million. The Defense
>>>>>>> Department is at its wit’s end and is rightly accusing the committee of
>>>>>>> making frivolous requests.
>>>>>>> Letters from Gen. Dana Chipman, the committee’s own
>>>>>>> former chief counsel with 33 years’ military experience, have been now
>>>>>>> released. In one to former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Chipman states:
>>>>>>> “I think you ordered exactly the right forces to move out and to head
>>>>>>> toward a position where they could reinforce what was occurring in
>>>>>>> Benghazi.” Contrary to the right-wing press, there were no orders for those
>>>>>>> forces to stand down.
>>>>>>> One of the most inflammatory charges made against
>>>>>>> Hillary Clinton was that she dismissed the Benghazi deaths by saying “What
>>>>>>> difference does it make”? In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations
>>>>>>> Committee (1/23/13), the gravity of this loss is clear: “With all
>>>>>>> due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a
>>>>>>> protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that
>>>>>>> they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
>>>>>>> make?”
>>>>>>> There is also the accusation by GOP Rep. Darrell Issa
>>>>>>> that Clinton had “personally signed” a cable requesting reduced security in
>>>>>>> Benghazi. Fact checkers at the *Washington Post* awarded Issa four
>>>>>>> Pinocchio’s (a Whopper) for this lie. The fact is that every cable from
>>>>>>> the State Department has the Secretary’s signature renders its author
>>>>>>> unidentifiable.
>>>>>>> GOP Sen. Rand Paul charged that Clinton “was asked
>>>>>>> repeatedly to provide security in Benghazi on several occasions, including
>>>>>>> direct cables.
>>>>>>> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/22/rand-paul/rand-paul-says-hillary-clinton-was-asked-repeatedl/>”
>>>>>>> Investigators at Politifact have judged this claim “mostly false.” They
>>>>>>> state that “no one has shown Clinton willfully ignored the cries for help
>>>>>>> from Libya. Paul’s office didn’t provide evidence linking requests for
>>>>>>> security directly to Clinton.” All cables to the State Department cables
>>>>>>> are addressed to “SECSTATE” in “WASHDC,” but only a select few ever reach
>>>>>>> the secretary.
>>>>>>> On the October 15, 2012, Fox New’s Sean Hannity
>>>>>>> claimed that “somebody at the State Department was watching the attack in
>>>>>>> real time” via video, and therefore should have known exactly what was
>>>>>>> happening.
>>>>>>> First, there was of course no live video feed from Libya
>>>>>>> to any government office; and second, Hannity may have misunderstood
>>>>>>> Charles Lamb’s testimony that Clinton was in telephone contact with state
>>>>>>> department officials in Libya as if it were “almost in real time.”
>>>>>>> Clinton’s critics apparently did not realize that this
>>>>>>> claim of real time contact contradicts their accusation that Clinton and
>>>>>>> Obama were “unaccounted for” during and after the attack. Not only was
>>>>>>> Clinton in constant telephone contact with the deputy chief of mission in
>>>>>>> Libya, but she was also speaking directly with national security advisor
>>>>>>> Tom Donilon, President Obama, and other administration officials.
>>>>>>> With regard to the cause of the attack, UN Ambassador
>>>>>>> Susan Rice has been rightly criticized for blaming it on an anti-Islamic
>>>>>>> video that caused protests in Egypt but not Benghazi. From the very
>>>>>>> beginning, however, Clinton was sure it was a terrorist attack.
>>>>>>> On the day after the attack, September 12, 2012, she
>>>>>>> called the Egyptian prime minister stating that “we know it had nothing to
>>>>>>> do with the film. It was a planned attack — not a protest.” On September
>>>>>>> 21,2012, Clinton declared: “What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist
>>>>>>> attack, and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to
>>>>>>> justice the terrorists who murdered four Americans.”
>>>>>>> Critics have charged that at a ceremony honoring the
>>>>>>> Benghazi victims, Clinton told their family members that the video caused
>>>>>>> the attack. But Jan Stevens, father of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Cheryl
>>>>>>> Bennet, Tyrone Wood’s mother, and Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty’s mother,
>>>>>>> each said that Clinton did not mention the video in conversations with
>>>>>>> them. Only Charles Wood, Tyrone Wood’s father, recalled that Clinton
>>>>>>> referred to the video.
>>>>>>> Allegations that Clinton ordered the “scrubbing” of
>>>>>>> Benghazi documents, that she blocked a whistle blower from coming forward,
>>>>>>> that she was silent about Benghazi attack for weeks, and that she did not
>>>>>>> take responsibility for the attacks have all been found to be false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When she was Secretary of State Clinton’s approval ratings were 70
>>>>>>> percent, but the fact that they are now at 45 percent is primarily due to
>>>>>>> this dark cloud of lies hanging over her head.
>>>>>>> Nick Gier of Moscow taught philosophy at the University
>>>>>>> of Idaho for 31 years. Read all of his columns on the 2016 election at
>>>>>>> www.NickGier.com/Election2016.pdf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:42 PM, g crabtree <direoutcome at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You stated that " the GOP congressmen ended up looking like fools"
>>>>>>>> and that "Hillary proved her toughness for the presidency right then and
>>>>>>>> there." Then you contend that this opinion is borne out by the testimony of
>>>>>>>> "the committee's own military experts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your opinions are as unique as your notion of what constitutes a
>>>>>>>> fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is my opinion but backed up by facts, including the
>>>>>>>>> committee's own military experts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nfg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Crabtree,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you forgetting about the 11-hour hearing on Bengazi in which
>>>>>>>>>> none of the charges stuck and the GOP congressmen ended up looking like
>>>>>>>>>> fools? Hillary proved her toughness for the presidency right then and
>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Appended below is my column from that period.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> nfg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Benghazi: The GOP is Beating a Dead Horse None of the Charges
>>>>>>>>>> Against Clinton are True*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The GOP House Select Committee on Benghazi has
>>>>>>>>>> interviewed 100 witnesses, spent $7 million of its own funds, and has
>>>>>>>>>> forced other agencies to spend an additional $13 million. The Defense
>>>>>>>>>> Department is at its wit’s end and is rightly accusing the committee of
>>>>>>>>>> making frivolous requests.
>>>>>>>>>> Letters from Gen. Dana Chipman, the committee’s own
>>>>>>>>>> former chief counsel with 33 years’ military experience, have been now
>>>>>>>>>> released. In one to former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Chipman states:
>>>>>>>>>> “I think you ordered exactly the right forces to move out and to head
>>>>>>>>>> toward a position where they could reinforce what was occurring in
>>>>>>>>>> Benghazi.” Contrary to the right-wing press, there were no orders for those
>>>>>>>>>> forces to stand down.
>>>>>>>>>> One of the most inflammatory charges made against
>>>>>>>>>> Hillary Clinton was that she dismissed the Benghazi deaths by saying “What
>>>>>>>>>> difference does it make”? In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations
>>>>>>>>>> Committee (1/23/13), the gravity of this loss is clear: “With
>>>>>>>>>> all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of
>>>>>>>>>> a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided
>>>>>>>>>> that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does
>>>>>>>>>> it make?”
>>>>>>>>>> There is also the accusation by GOP Rep. Darrell Issa
>>>>>>>>>> that Clinton had “personally signed” a cable requesting reduced security in
>>>>>>>>>> Benghazi. Fact checkers at the *Washington Post* awarded Issa
>>>>>>>>>> four Pinocchio’s (a Whopper) for this lie. The fact is that every cable
>>>>>>>>>> from the State Department has the Secretary’s signature renders its author
>>>>>>>>>> unidentifiable.
>>>>>>>>>> GOP Sen. Rand Paul charged that Clinton “was asked
>>>>>>>>>> repeatedly to provide security in Benghazi on several occasions, including
>>>>>>>>>> direct cables.
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/22/rand-paul/rand-paul-says-hillary-clinton-was-asked-repeatedl/>”
>>>>>>>>>> Investigators at Politifact have judged this claim “mostly false.” They
>>>>>>>>>> state that “no one has shown Clinton willfully ignored the cries for help
>>>>>>>>>> from Libya. Paul’s office didn’t provide evidence linking requests for
>>>>>>>>>> security directly to Clinton.” All cables to the State Department cables
>>>>>>>>>> are addressed to “SECSTATE” in “WASHDC,” but only a select few ever reach
>>>>>>>>>> the secretary.
>>>>>>>>>> On the October 15, 2012, Fox New’s Sean Hannity
>>>>>>>>>> claimed that “somebody at the State Department was watching the attack in
>>>>>>>>>> real time” via video, and therefore should have known exactly what was
>>>>>>>>>> happening.
>>>>>>>>>> First, there was of course no live video feed from
>>>>>>>>>> Libya to any government office; and second, Hannity may have misunderstood
>>>>>>>>>> Charles Lamb’s testimony that Clinton was in telephone contact with state
>>>>>>>>>> department officials in Libya as if it were “almost in real time.”
>>>>>>>>>> Clinton’s critics apparently did not realize that
>>>>>>>>>> this claim of real time contact contradicts their accusation that Clinton
>>>>>>>>>> and Obama were “unaccounted for” during and after the attack. Not only was
>>>>>>>>>> Clinton in constant telephone contact with the deputy chief of mission in
>>>>>>>>>> Libya, but she was also speaking directly with national security advisor
>>>>>>>>>> Tom Donilon, President Obama, and other administration officials.
>>>>>>>>>> With regard to the cause of the attack, UN Ambassador
>>>>>>>>>> Susan Rice has been rightly criticized for blaming it on an anti-Islamic
>>>>>>>>>> video that caused protests in Egypt but not Benghazi. From the very
>>>>>>>>>> beginning, however, Clinton was sure it was a terrorist attack.
>>>>>>>>>> On the day after the attack, September 12, 2012, she
>>>>>>>>>> called the Egyptian prime minister stating that “we know it had nothing to
>>>>>>>>>> do with the film. It was a planned attack — not a protest.” On September
>>>>>>>>>> 21,2012, Clinton declared: “What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist
>>>>>>>>>> attack, and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to
>>>>>>>>>> justice the terrorists who murdered four Americans.”
>>>>>>>>>> Critics have charged that at a ceremony honoring the
>>>>>>>>>> Benghazi victims, Clinton told their family members that the video caused
>>>>>>>>>> the attack. But Jan Stevens, father of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Cheryl
>>>>>>>>>> Bennet, Tyrone Wood’s mother, and Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty’s mother,
>>>>>>>>>> each said that Clinton did not mention the video in conversations with
>>>>>>>>>> them. Only Charles Wood, Tyrone Wood’s father, recalled that Clinton
>>>>>>>>>> referred to the video.
>>>>>>>>>> Allegations that Clinton ordered the “scrubbing” of
>>>>>>>>>> Benghazi documents, that she blocked a whistle blower from coming forward,
>>>>>>>>>> that she was silent about Benghazi attack for weeks, and that she did not
>>>>>>>>>> take responsibility for the attacks have all been found to be false.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When she was Secretary of State Clinton’s approval ratings were
>>>>>>>>>> 70 percent, but the fact that they are now at 45 percent is primarily due
>>>>>>>>>> to this dark cloud of lies hanging over her head.
>>>>>>>>>> Nick Gier of Moscow taught philosophy at the
>>>>>>>>>> University of Idaho for 31 years. Read all of his columns on the 2016
>>>>>>>>>> election at www.NickGier.com/Election2016.pdf.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:17 PM, g crabtree <
>>>>>>>>>> direoutcome at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well you're edging a tiny bit closer to being on the money.
>>>>>>>>>>> Right about hillary having so many issues, still wrong about the "prosecuted
>>>>>>>>>>> and then exonerated."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Andy Boyd <
>>>>>>>>>>> moscowrecycling at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I must have been thinking bengazigate. So many issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy Boyd
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* g crabtree [mailto:direoutcome at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 12:41 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Andy Boyd <moscowrecycling at turbonet.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 <
>>>>>>>>>>>> vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Jared Kushner used private email
>>>>>>>>>>>> for official business
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At What point was hillary indited much less prosecuted? At what
>>>>>>>>>>>> point was she exonerated? None of these things happened once much less
>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Andy Boyd <
>>>>>>>>>>>> moscowrecycling at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And will Kushner be prosecuted and then exonerated for emails
>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple times by congress like Hillary was?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy Boyd
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *g crabtree
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Jared Kushner used private email
>>>>>>>>>>>> for official business
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the similarity extend to a clandestinely set up private
>>>>>>>>>>>> server in Mr. Kushners bathroom in a deliberate attempt to circumvent
>>>>>>>>>>>> public records requirements?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Mr. Kushner immediately attempt to delete over 30,000
>>>>>>>>>>>> improperly documented e-mails when found out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When discovered, did Mr. Kushner go into overdrive destroying
>>>>>>>>>>>> devices that could possibly have traces of "job related information?" Did
>>>>>>>>>>>> he order lackeys to use blow torch software on a server that they fought
>>>>>>>>>>>> desperately to avoid turning over to proper authorities?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Mr. Kushner instruct underlings to obfuscate when asked
>>>>>>>>>>>> about said information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you're right, tom. The similarities boarder on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> uncanny.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared Kushner is currently senior advisor to President Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As such he possesses a Top Secret security clearance (after providing false
>>>>>>>>>>>> information on his SF-86, application for security clearance).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I going to fast for you, Dan?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The similarity between former Secretary of State Hillary
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton and Senior Advisor Jared Kushner is that emails from a private
>>>>>>>>>>>> server, containing job-related information, have been generated by both of
>>>>>>>>>>>> them (Hillary and Jared).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you picking up what I'm laying down?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did I miss the part where Kushner is running for president?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just want to get the analogy straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 04:43, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Altogether now . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOCK HIM UP . . . LOCK HIM UP . . . LOCK HIM UP . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Debi Smith <Debismith at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmmm. But let's keep on hitting Hillary for e-mails, shall we?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hypocritical much?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Debi R-S
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2017 2:49 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Courtesy of the *Washington Examiner *at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/jared-kushner-used-private
>>>>>>>>>>>> -email-for-official-business-report/article/2635438
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared Kushner used private email for official business: Report
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared Kushner has used a private email server to correspond
>>>>>>>>>>>> with other administration officials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kushner, a senior White House advisor and son-in-law to
>>>>>>>>>>>> President Trump, set up the email account in December, shortly after the
>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential election, according to Politico, which first reported on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> email account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The emails have gone to White House officials as well as to
>>>>>>>>>>>> outside advisers, and have contained discussions about news coverage and
>>>>>>>>>>>> event planning. Recipients of such emails included National Economic
>>>>>>>>>>>> Council director Gary Cohn as well as former chief of staff Reince Priebus
>>>>>>>>>>>> and former chief strategist Steve Bannon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbe Lowell, Kushner's lawyer, said he has forwarded all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> private emails to his White House account. In most cases, Lowell said, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> emails to the private account were initiated by other officials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mr. Kushner uses his White House email address to conduct
>>>>>>>>>>>> White House business," Lowell told Politico in a statement Sunday. "Fewer
>>>>>>>>>>>> than 100 emails from January through August were either sent to or returned
>>>>>>>>>>>> by Mr. Kushner to colleagues in the White House from his personal email
>>>>>>>>>>>> account. These usually forwarded news articles or political commentary and
>>>>>>>>>>>> most often occurred when someone initiated the exchange by sending an email
>>>>>>>>>>>> to his personal rather than his White House address."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Private email accounts can bypass the requirements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential Records Act, which requires archiving all documents about
>>>>>>>>>>>> government business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kushner has been under scrutiny during investigations over
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russian government officials to
>>>>>>>>>>>> influence the U.S. election.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump repeatedly
>>>>>>>>>>>> attacked his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, for using a private
>>>>>>>>>>>> email server when she was secretary of state. She was cleared by the FBI of
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, but credits the news reporting about her emails as one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons for her defeat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.fsr.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,
>>>>>>>>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.fsr.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,
>>>>>>>>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.fsr.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> =======================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =======================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,
>>>>>>>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.fsr.net
>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>>>>>> =======================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they
>>>>>>>>>> know they shall never sit in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Greek proverb
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed
>>>>>>>>>> immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without
>>>>>>>>>> guidance from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies
>>>>>>>>>> not in lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it
>>>>>>>>>> without guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
>>>>>>>>>> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --Immanuel Kant
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they
>>>>>>>>> know they shall never sit in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Greek proverb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed
>>>>>>>>> immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without
>>>>>>>>> guidance from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies
>>>>>>>>> not in lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it
>>>>>>>>> without guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
>>>>>>>>> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Immanuel Kant
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know
>>>>>>> they shall never sit in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Greek proverb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
>>>>>>> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
>>>>>>> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
>>>>>>> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
>>>>>>> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
>>>>>>> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Immanuel Kant
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know
>>>>> they shall never sit in.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Greek proverb
>>>>>
>>>>> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
>>>>> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
>>>>> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
>>>>> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
>>>>> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
>>>>> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Immanuel Kant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know
>>> they shall never sit in.
>>>
>>> -Greek proverb
>>>
>>> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
>>> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
>>> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
>>> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
>>> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
>>> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>>>
>>> --Immanuel Kant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they
> shall never sit in.
>
> -Greek proverb
>
> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>
> --Immanuel Kant
>
>
>
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