[Vision2020] Palouse area mostly accepting, but not immune to hate

Fri Jun 17 17:08:35 PDT 2016

I am in the "magical position" of being able to watch CNN interview fellow
police academy classmates and patrons of the bar he frequented and after
many months of being a regular patron, shot to pieces. Being able to listen
to the reports of guys he was in contact with via some sort of homosexual
dating app. Oh, and there is of course his first wife whom the FBI
curiously admonished to not assert that the shooter was gay after she
previously had made that statement. And yes, I was able to do this from
clear across the country and never having spoken with the psychopath in
question.

I know it's a hoot to blame all the ills of the world on white heterosexual
males but, in this instance you really need to search a little further
afield for your "part of the problem."

g

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
wrote:

> Wow – I find it pretty astonishing and disturbing you think you’re in some
> magical position to determine or declare the sexual orientation of someone
> across the country you never met let alone ever engaged in discussion.
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> But, you’re not part of the problem, are you?
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> Saundra Lund
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> Moscow, ID
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> No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted.
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> ~ Aesop (The Lion and the Mouse)
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *g crabtree
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 7:35 AM
> *To:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Palouse area mostly accepting, but not immune
> to hate
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> I'm confused by this article. What does the Orlando incident have to do
> with heterosexual tolerance of homosexuals in Moscow? The crime in Florida
> was clearly carried out by another homosexual and as such bears no
> reflection on the mainstream citizens of that area. To the contrary, the
> outpouring of grief and desires to be of assistance to the victims and
> their loved ones belies any sort of expression of hate. The incident in
> Orlando was a tragedy to be sure but in no way could it be considered an
> expression of the heterosexual communities lack of acceptance for their
> fellow Floridians.
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> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> wrote:
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> The Moscow City Council (May 14, 2013)
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> http://www.tomandrodna.com/soundbites/CC_051413_Familyunits.mp3
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> Courtesy of today's (June 17, 2017) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
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> Palouse area mostly accepting, but not immune to hate
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> Members of the LGBT community shed light on their experiences in Pullman,
> Moscow
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> Some members of the LGBT communities in Moscow and Pullman say they have
> been subject to hate and threats and even lost friends because of their
> orientation and gender presentation here on the Palouse, but they say the
> area is mostly safe and accepting.
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> They say they've been followed, picketed, threatened and sometimes they
> have to think twice about holding a partner's hand in public. Some have hid
> their sexuality to avoid losing a job.
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> Most, however, say it is only a small number of people who don't accept
> them on the Palouse.
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> In the wake of the past weekend's shooting that left 49 dead at the Pulse
> Orlando Night Club & Ultra Lounge, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla., local
> members of the LGBT community say they won't live their lives in fear.
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> "I'm not afraid of something like that happening here," said Katie Noble,
> a lesbian and violence prevention educator at Washington State University.
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> Gordon Mellot, 33, has performed at drag shows in Moscow and Pullman for
> the past 13 years.
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> "Moscow is a pretty safe community but there are always two or three
> people hiding in the shadows that you have to be aware of," Mellot said.
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> While the Palouse is overall inclusive, Kathy Sprague, a Moscow native who
> has organized drag shows in Moscow and Pullman for more than 20 years, has
> experienced some of the worst it has to offer.
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> She said she received death threats after running for Moscow City Council
> in 1993. One message left on her answering machine she still distinctly
> remembers: "Die you f-----g dykes." She also said her friend William
> Hendrick, who was gay, was murdered in Moscow in 1999 because of his sexual
> orientation. The case has not been solved.
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> Sprague, 51, said she was also a friend of Steve Nelson, a former
> University of Idaho student and employee who responded to an online ad for
> sex in southern Idaho in early May and was beaten and robbed by four men.
> He died from his injuries.
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> "There is no denying Steve Nelson's murder was a hate crime. Every day
> someone is gay bashed - sometimes it goes as far as it did with Steve and
> they die," she said. "We can't live in fear - we live knowing that it might
> be us next. You might as well ask every woman in this country if she fears
> being raped, it's always in the back of our mind."
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> Sprague said she still remembers an incident in 1994 after anti-gay
> legislation was proposed in Idaho. She said members of Christ Church and
> its pastor, Doug Wilson, showed up outside a gay dance and displayed
> anti-gay signs, one of which read, "AIDS Inoculation Center."
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> "I was younger and not as secure in my identity," she said. "And anyone
> who will attack a community while they're down is showing their true colors
> and it certainly isn't being a good Christian."
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> Sprague said tragedies like that in Orlando make many in the LGBTQIA
> community relive previous attacks.
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> "This is what we live with in the back of our minds every single day," she
> said.
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> Brandon Dudley, 29, of Pullman, said he feels safe in Pullman as a gay
> man, but high school was a different story. Dudley said he was bullied
> every day at Pullman High School, to the point he considered suicide once.
> That led to him to dropping out.
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> He later re-enrolled, but he didn't stay long.
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> "I was assigned to give a speech on gay marriage. I told (the teacher) I
> didn't feel comfortable and she told me I had no choice," he said. "The
> class erupted with students calling me a faggot ... that was my last day at
> PHS."
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> He said he now receives more flack for being African-American than a
> homosexual.
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> For Noble, 32, it wasn't until a few years ago that she started working at
> Washington State University and was able to come out and be open with her
> sexuality at work. She said her previous Pullman employer had told her "gay
> people should be lobotomized and shouldn't have the same rights as other
> people."
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> "He said it's a mental illness or defect that should be fixed," Noble
> said. "It wasn't a fun experience working for someone who didn't accept me
> for who I was. There are definitely situations you have to gauge how
> publicly you want to be about your sexuality."
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> Mellot said he's been followed and had his neighbors throw beer bottles at
> him and call him names, but such instances are rare.
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> "They've chased me down saying I don't belong here, 'there's no place in
> Moscow for people like you,' and they're sick of us 'trying to take over
> the community,' " he said. "They don't happen often, but when they do they
> resonate hard with me. Moscow is a safe place - when it does happen it's so
> out of the norm."
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> Dudley said he was considering studying pre-law in Orlando.
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> "I would have been there at this time, I could have been at that club," he
> said. "Those are my friends - that could have been me."
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> Noble doesn't have any Orlando ties, but he hopes those killed were loved.
>
> "I feel fortunate that I have a biological family that loves me and
> supports me. There are so many people in the LGBTQ community that don't
> have that. That's why I feel so much sadness and sorrow for 49 people I
> never met," she said, crying on the phone. "I know how difficult it can be
> to be afraid of who you are, and not be able to express that. I hope they
> were loved, and they knew that.
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> "For every violent person there are 40 that are not violent. All it takes
> for us to use our voice - that's how the numbers change and violence
> happens less often."
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> Sprague had a similar message.
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> "When you hear someone say, 'that's so gay,' call them on it. 'You throw
> like a girl,' it's all tied together. Rape culture, misogyny, they're all
> heads to the same hydra," Sprague said. "We need to treat everyone with
> kindness and respect, and call our peers on it when they are not doing
> that."
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> "Just Two Men Who Do-Si-Do"
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> http://www.tomandrodna.com/Songs/Marriage/Do_Si_Do.mp3
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> "Gay Girls Make Great Moms"
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> http://www.tomandrodna.com/Songs/Marriage/Gay_Girls_Make_Great_Moms.mp3
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> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
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> Tom "Free to be you and me" Hansen
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> Moscow, Idaho
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