[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 99, Issue 203

Wed Oct 1 13:46:11 PDT 2014

I never dreamed when I posted a few weeks ago about Tom's prolific use of
V2020 that it would still be a topic.

Interesting.

Must've struck a cord with some subscribers.

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> [image: image1.gif]
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:03 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> This seems like an odd stance for someone who will happily cast all
> conservatives, Republicans, and tea party supporters as ignorant, bigoted,
> fascist, and crazy when it come to your own communications with the world
> around you. (prevailing winds Saturday, September 7, 2013)
>
> Why is calling one person out on a single demonstrable fault so much more
> awful than making broad generalizations and accusations about folks you've
> never met and never will?
>
> Maybe it's not V2020 that brings out the worst in you.
>
> g
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm no longer on Vision 2020, and one of the reasons is because it didn't
>> bring out the best in me ... and it also seemed like a chance to take
>> gratuitous snark-shots at people. I'm all for spirited debate, even
>> criticism, on an issue. I think I've shown that I can take it and I can
>> dish it out.
>>
>> But to just fart something out about a man and his work/efforts/behavior
>> on Vision, as Scott did here? Not fair, and a reason why I doubt seriously
>> I'll be coming back.
>>
>> Keely
>>
>>
>> *Prevailing Winds:  A Radical Gospel Shattering Patriarchy At Its Root*
>> *Because when the times require outrage*, *your silence is assent*
>> www.keelyprevailingwinds.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: vision2020-request at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 99, Issue 203
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:08:08 -0700
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>> > 1. Re: Fwd: A response (Scott Dredge)
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>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:07:46 -0600
>> > From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>> > To: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>, Gary Crabtree
>> > <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>, Walter Steed
>> > <wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us>
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: A response
>> > Message-ID: <BLU175-W2292ECBEEA646759C5607DE4BB0 at phx.gbl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Stay tuned for more 'bull-headed behavior' from Tom versus the
>> alternative of tuning out and thus not wasting any more time repeatedly
>> hitting the delete key.
>> >
>> > From: moscowcares at moscow.com
>> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:29:12 -0700
>> > To: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
>> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: A response
>> >
>> > Stay tuned . . .
>> >
>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
>> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still.But first you must
>> learn how to smile as you kill,If you want to be like the folks on the
>> hill."
>> > - John Lennon
>> > On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > "Posting to Vision 2020 reaches FAAAAAAARRRRR more people than public
>> commentary at a city council session."
>> > I'm rather skeptical about that but we'll leave that aside for now. The
>> point of my comments to Paul where more directed to your
>> mischaracterization of Walter's remarks from your e-mail communication, to
>> wit:
>> > "His argument, apparently, is that any adverse comments I make about
>> him (even when such statements are substantiated) should not be aired
>> publicly without initially presenting my comments to him off-list and
>> in-person."
>> > (Translation: Mr. Steed does not want anything bad stated or suggested
>> about him publicly . . . only privately.)
>> > Interesting rhetorical strategy. Provide a translation of your own
>> faulty paraphrasing.
>> > After reading the exchange you provided between Walt and yourself, it's
>> clear that the only thing that he insists upon is that he will not go back
>> and forth on V2020 with half wits with an abundance of time on their hands.
>> This strikes me as prudent.
>> > g
>> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Posting to Vision 2020 reaches FAAAAAAARRRRR more people than public
>> commentary at a city council session.
>> > However, I will consider bringing future complaints before the city
>> council if I feel they would receive appropriate attention . . . something
>> sadly missing from our current city council (more videos on this later).
>> >
>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
>> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still.But first you must
>> learn how to smile as you kill,If you want to be like the folks on the
>> hill."
>> > - John Lennon
>> > On Sep 30, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The way I read Mr. Steed's remarks to Tom, I am sure he (Walt) would
>> agree with you. Nowhere in the back and forth of the communication did I
>> read anything that implied that that anyone needed to run criticism by the
>> councilman before making their ill informed opinions public. What I read
>> was that he would simply not respond to sniping from the cheap seats of
>> V2020. This seems a reasonable position to take. Lets face it, life is far
>> too short to spend very much of it responding to casual sniping from those
>> with an abundance of time on their hands. Should they feel a burning desire
>> to have their concerns addressed publicly, they can attend the council
>> meetings and pipe up for the record.
>> > g
>> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Paul Rumelhart <
>> paul.rumelhart at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > While I agree completely that you should be able to voice your opinions
>> about Walter Steed without having to run them by him first, I also think
>> that you probably shouldn't have forwarded your private email exchange with
>> him on this list, since it's apparent that he wouldn't want you to. I don't
>> think any laws were broken (though I'm damn tempted to cc the Chief of
>> Police just to make sure ;) ) but I do think it is bad etiquette. You could
>> have simply summarized your conversation.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > And, before we go there, I am *not* trying to trample on your rights
>> and I don't expect you to change your bull-headed behavior any more than
>> you have in the past.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> > V-Peeps:
>> > I have been debating whether or not to publicly disclose an email
>> interaction I had recently with Walter Steed, a member of the Moscow City
>> Council. Lacking a response from Mr. Steed, in reply to my most-recent
>> email to him, I have decided to air it publicly and allow the fine peeps of
>> the Viz to form their own opinion, as this argument concerns a very basic
>> right granted to us by our constitution . . .
>> > His argument, apparently, is that any adverse comments I make about him
>> (even when such statements are substantiated) should not be aired publicly
>> without initially presenting my comments to him off-list and in-person.
>> > (Translation: Mr. Steed does not want anything bad stated or suggested
>> about him publicly . . . only privately.)
>> > Two concepts that Mr. Steed has difficulty grasping are . . . my right
>> to publicly state my opinion without having to initially pursue his
>> approval . . . my right to disclose my opinion publicly in the form of
>> political satire (a method used universally).
>> > Moscow Vision 2020 is, as described in an interview of myself and Keely
>> Emerine-Mix conducted at Friendship Square by the Moscow-Pullman Daily News
>> some years back, an online community soapbox open to everyone.
>> > So . . .
>> > No, Mr. Steed. I am not going to quietly and privately seek you out
>> every time I have an opinion I wish to express. I will post them on a
>> publicly accessible digital bulletin board (i.e. Moscow Vision 2020). If
>> people, such as yourself, find my postings to be snide and sniping, they
>> may either ignore them or respond publicly to them.
>> > Until then . . .
>> > Stay tuned.
>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> > "Moscow Cares"http://www.MoscowCares.com Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> >
>> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>> > Date: September 27, 2014 at 2:27:21 PM PDT
>> > To: Walter M Steed <wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us>
>> > Subject: Re: A response
>> >
>> > Fine. Point taken.
>> > However, publicly elected officials (whether they be a member of the
>> Moscow City Council or President of the United States) have been, are, and
>> will always be targets of political satire, whether that satire is launched
>> from Fox News or a subscriber to Vision 2020.
>> > In my twenty years in the Army, I have been called everything but Tom.
>> I learned to live with it (even expect it in some circumstances). How about
>> you? Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
>> >
>> > On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Walter M Steed <wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have no problem with the public arena as I understand what it entails
>> and the exposure it brings. My complaint is not what you say about me or
>> even that you say it; it's the way in which you chose to do it. I stopped
>> reading 2020 years ago when you
>> > started injecting uninformed opinions on every topic under the sun and
>> I just couldn't take it anymore.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I do, however, periodically get told about your snide, sniping,
>> personal attacks with no effort at all having been made on your part to let
>> me know whatever it is you don't like about me or what I have done or said.
>> Criticism for the sake of criticism
>> > is unproductive (unless stroking the ego of the critic is the goal).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ever since my first election I have had a personal policy of responding
>> to all direct contacts (just not the letter-to-the-editor or 2020
>> directed).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If you have any specific questions, comments, or concerns, please just
>> address them to directly to me and I'll be happy to provide you a response.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > WS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sep 27, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mr. Steed -
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yesterday, the "Ellen and 'Pops' Roskovich Bench Dedication Ceremony"
>> was not the appropriate location or time to debate politics with you, as it
>> appeared was your intent.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > That said . . .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As a private citizen, I reserve the right to discuss my political
>> opinions publicly (humorous or not), as I did on Thursday in a posting to
>> the Moscow Vision 2020 listserve (below). There will be more forthcoming.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If you are offended by such postings, perhaps you should avoid the
>> public arena as a city council member.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If you wish to publicly discuss my expressed opinions, please let me
>> know. Otherwise . . .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Stay tuned.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>> >
>> > Date: September 25, 2014 at 12:46:21 PM PDT
>> >
>> > To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >
>> > Subject: A traffic control suggestion as presented by . . .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > . . . Councilman Walter Steed
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.TomandRodna.com/Soundbites/Steed_Traffic_Control_110205.mp3
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I got me LOTS of 'em, like . . . a sliced up and diced up city council
>> video to the tune of
>> > The Wizard of Oz' "If I Only Had a Brain" starring one of the city
>> council's re-newest members members (a transplant from the Corner Club) . .
>> . and, of course, there's "The Kiss" (my personal favorite.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Later, V-Peeps.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I gots to get tomorrow's "Who Dat?" photo together.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > - John Lennon
>> >
>> >
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