[Vision2020] Ferguson second grade protesters 'get it'

Tue Dec 16 16:54:32 PST 2014

Good Gawd, I hope not!  I don't know anything about trains and church
organs.  Which was my point...

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> ...
> I am just as certain that if there should be conversations concerning
> railroad operations or church organ music, here on the Viz, your
> reflections would be eagerly welcome.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> That's right, Mr. Dredge!  Can't question expertise like Mr. Hansen's.
>
> My Dad retired from a railroad and my Mom plays the organ at church.  I am
> now qualified to conduct BOTH.
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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>> No, Mr. Dredge, I would NOT have considered it an "action of disrespect"
>> . . . If crime scene investigator had responded IMMEDIATELY!
>>
>> FYI, Mr. Dredge:  My father was a member of the LAPD (Los Angeles Police
>> Department) for 36 (thirty-six) years.  This is not foreign to me, ok?
>>
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>> - John Lennon
>>
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> To expand on the point of “It really is a double-edged sword,” had the
>> body been moved sooner, Mr. Hansen would still be claiming this to be an
>> action of disrespect and that the crime scene wasn't processed properly.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>> To: thansen at moscow.com; paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:06:21 -0700
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ferguson second grade protesters 'get it'
>>
>> Mr. Hansen writes:
>> <Another question that NEEDS an answer:  Why did Brown's body lay dead on
>> the ground . . . untouched . . for four hours . . . after the police
>> officer shot and killed,him?>
>>
>> The article you linked to does a pretty good job answering that question
>> by providing a number of reasons:
>>
>>
>>    1. This shooting was on a Saturday, with a skeleton crew on duty and
>>    an earlier incident miles away that delayed detectives from getting to
>>    Ferguson.
>>    2. Jackson and others said the scene was so chaotic that there were
>>    moments when they didn’t know if they were going to get out without getting
>>    hurt or hurting someone else.
>>    3. Several medical examiners and coroner officials from across the
>>    country said every crime scene is different. Some take all day to process.
>>    4. “Sometimes it’s a little disconcerting in an open scene for the
>>    family to see a body lying there,” said Dave R. Fowler, chief medical
>>    examiner in Baltimore. “But this is not ‘CSI.’”
>>    5. The best way to serve the public and the victim’s family is to do
>>    your job properly, they all said, and get as close to the truth as possible.
>>    6. There are absolutes in police work, Belmar said in an interview
>>    Friday. Protect the crime scene. Investigate thoroughly. “What would we
>>    have gained by taking pictures of Mr. Brown’s body and simply getting him
>>    out of there as fast as we could?” Belmar asked. “... It might have moved
>>    (the timeline) up an hour and a half.”
>>    7. Or would that have left the grand jury — convening now on this
>>    case — without the benefit of a thorough crime scene investigation? “It
>>    really is a double-edged sword,” Belmar said.
>>
>>
>>
>> The article also concedes that the reasons listed above don't matter
>> because the headline of 'white cop kills black man' trumps all else:
>>
>>
>>    1. But for many in Ferguson, none of that will matter. Regardless of
>>    the evidence, the experts, the gunshots and the crowds, a young man’s body
>>    left on the street for four hours just doesn’t make sense.
>>    2. “You’ll never make anyone black believe that a white kid would
>>    have laid in the street for four hours,” said Mike Jones, an
>>    African-American and chief aide to St. Louis County Executive Charlie
>>    Dooley. “It defies any understanding of reality.”
>>    3. And that anger won’t go away soon, several Canfield residents
>>    recently said.
>>    4. Torregrossa can still see Brown’s feet and head sticking out from
>>    the white sheet, too small to cover his tall frame. “The image in my mind,
>>    him laying in the street, that baffles me,” Torregrossa said.
>>    5. “That’s the only image I have of this young man, and I can’t shake
>>    it.”
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ferguson second grade protesters 'get it'
>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:42:31 -0800
>> CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>> To: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
>>
>> Mr. Dredge -
>>
>> Another question that NEEDS an answer:  Why did Brown's body lay dead on
>> the ground . . . untouched . . for four hours . . . after the police
>> officer shot and killed,him?
>>
>>
>> http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/why-was-michael-brown-s-body-left-there-for-hours/article_0b73ec58-c6a1-516e-882f-74d18a4246e0.html
>>
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>> - John Lennon
>>
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I really hate how this whole thing has developed.  It started with the
>> death of Brown, with scant information, at which time it was believable
>> that he might have been raising his hands asking the cop not to shoot him.
>> I can see people jumping on that bandwagon.  Later, it came to light that
>> he had assaulted the cop in his car, which totally changes the story.  It's
>> still unfortunate, but it's miles away from saying "please don't shoot me"
>> and raising your hands.  The cops-use-black-people-as-target-practice meme
>> is a powerful one, though, and that's what gets said during the protests.
>> Damn the facts, anyway, I guess.
>>
>> There may actually be a real problem here, since there have now been two
>> grand jury refusals to indict that I disagree with, but it's obscured by
>> this sort of thing.  If the people protesting don't give a damn about what
>> actually happened, then why should I take anything they say, whether they
>> are 7 years old or 70, at face value?  My basic assumption right now for
>> these protests is that they are making shit up and only if I see evidence
>> otherwise will I begin to believe them.  It's sad, really.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> It's a worthy cause to protest “against the unjust systems that allow
>> police officers to kill Black men and boys with impunity,”
>>
>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/second-graders-spend-recess-protesting-ferguson-105366598412.html
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