[Vision2020] Ferguson second grade protesters 'get it'

Tue Dec 16 16:37:55 PST 2014

That's right, Mr. Dredge!  Can't question expertise like Mr. Hansen's.

My Dad retired from a railroad and my Mom plays the organ at church.  I am
now qualified to conduct BOTH.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> No, Mr. Dredge, I would NOT have considered it an "action of disrespect" .
> . . If crime scene investigator had responded IMMEDIATELY!
>
> FYI, Mr. Dredge:  My father was a member of the LAPD (Los Angeles Police
> Department) for 36 (thirty-six) years.  This is not foreign to me, ok?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> To expand on the point of “It really is a double-edged sword,” had the
> body been moved sooner, Mr. Hansen would still be claiming this to be an
> action of disrespect and that the crime scene wasn't processed properly.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> To: thansen at moscow.com; paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:06:21 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ferguson second grade protesters 'get it'
>
> Mr. Hansen writes:
> <Another question that NEEDS an answer:  Why did Brown's body lay dead on
> the ground . . . untouched . . for four hours . . . after the police
> officer shot and killed,him?>
>
> The article you linked to does a pretty good job answering that question
> by providing a number of reasons:
>
>
>    1. This shooting was on a Saturday, with a skeleton crew on duty and
>    an earlier incident miles away that delayed detectives from getting to
>    Ferguson.
>    2. Jackson and others said the scene was so chaotic that there were
>    moments when they didn’t know if they were going to get out without getting
>    hurt or hurting someone else.
>    3. Several medical examiners and coroner officials from across the
>    country said every crime scene is different. Some take all day to process.
>    4. “Sometimes it’s a little disconcerting in an open scene for the
>    family to see a body lying there,” said Dave R. Fowler, chief medical
>    examiner in Baltimore. “But this is not ‘CSI.’”
>    5. The best way to serve the public and the victim’s family is to do
>    your job properly, they all said, and get as close to the truth as possible.
>    6. There are absolutes in police work, Belmar said in an interview
>    Friday. Protect the crime scene. Investigate thoroughly. “What would we
>    have gained by taking pictures of Mr. Brown’s body and simply getting him
>    out of there as fast as we could?” Belmar asked. “... It might have moved
>    (the timeline) up an hour and a half.”
>    7. Or would that have left the grand jury — convening now on this case
>    — without the benefit of a thorough crime scene investigation? “It really
>    is a double-edged sword,” Belmar said.
>
>
>
> The article also concedes that the reasons listed above don't matter
> because the headline of 'white cop kills black man' trumps all else:
>
>
>    1. But for many in Ferguson, none of that will matter. Regardless of
>    the evidence, the experts, the gunshots and the crowds, a young man’s body
>    left on the street for four hours just doesn’t make sense.
>    2. “You’ll never make anyone black believe that a white kid would have
>    laid in the street for four hours,” said Mike Jones, an African-American
>    and chief aide to St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley. “It defies any
>    understanding of reality.”
>    3. And that anger won’t go away soon, several Canfield residents
>    recently said.
>    4. Torregrossa can still see Brown’s feet and head sticking out from
>    the white sheet, too small to cover his tall frame. “The image in my mind,
>    him laying in the street, that baffles me,” Torregrossa said.
>    5. “That’s the only image I have of this young man, and I can’t shake
>    it.”
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ferguson second grade protesters 'get it'
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:42:31 -0800
> CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> To: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
>
> Mr. Dredge -
>
> Another question that NEEDS an answer:  Why did Brown's body lay dead on
> the ground . . . untouched . . for four hours . . . after the police
> officer shot and killed,him?
>
>
> http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/why-was-michael-brown-s-body-left-there-for-hours/article_0b73ec58-c6a1-516e-882f-74d18a4246e0.html
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I really hate how this whole thing has developed.  It started with the
> death of Brown, with scant information, at which time it was believable
> that he might have been raising his hands asking the cop not to shoot him.
> I can see people jumping on that bandwagon.  Later, it came to light that
> he had assaulted the cop in his car, which totally changes the story.  It's
> still unfortunate, but it's miles away from saying "please don't shoot me"
> and raising your hands.  The cops-use-black-people-as-target-practice meme
> is a powerful one, though, and that's what gets said during the protests.
> Damn the facts, anyway, I guess.
>
> There may actually be a real problem here, since there have now been two
> grand jury refusals to indict that I disagree with, but it's obscured by
> this sort of thing.  If the people protesting don't give a damn about what
> actually happened, then why should I take anything they say, whether they
> are 7 years old or 70, at face value?  My basic assumption right now for
> these protests is that they are making shit up and only if I see evidence
> otherwise will I begin to believe them.  It's sad, really.
>
> Paul
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> It's a worthy cause to protest “against the unjust systems that allow
> police officers to kill Black men and boys with impunity,”
>
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/second-graders-spend-recess-protesting-ferguson-105366598412.html
>
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