[Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal

[Paul Rumelhart]

I never meant to imply that a large government has the *right* to spy on
it's citizens.  It just has the resources to do so.

Basically, if you want the nice shiny things, you need a government big
enough to cause us all trouble, as well as the rest of the world.

I agree that the "policing" I was talking about serves the interest of
those in power for reasons other than doing what they think is right.  They
can't do it (at least as well) with a small government, though, which was
my point.

Paul


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

> You're creating a false equivalence. Just because a state is large doesn't
> mean it thinks it has the right to spy on it's citizens.
>
> As for policing the world, if we are doing any 'policing,' it's to impose
> our will and serve the interests of those who benefit from our foreign
> policy.
>
> Sunil
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:57:00 -0700
> From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> To: thansen at moscow.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal
>
>
> I was thinking more generally of welfare (medicaid, medicare, social
> security, unemployment, etc).  They are extremely useful programs when
> needed, they are often abused, and they require a large federal government
> to sustain.  I wouldn't be so down on the idea of a large state if it
> didn't think that it had the right to spy on it's citizens and assassinate
> people without due process and if it didn't think it had to police the
> world.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Paul Rumelhart argues:
>
> "Being a statist is what I have a problem with.  Basically making the
> state too powerful and people too dependent upon it."
>
> Do you mean state-expanded Medicaid?   Public schools?  Increased minimum
> wage?
>
> Details please.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Being a statist is what I have a problem with.  Basically making the state
> too powerful and people too dependent upon it.
>
>
>
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