[Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
Darrell Keim
keim153 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 24 18:13:17 PDT 2013
I don't think it effects Nicks point at all, Scott. If the road was
appropriate for these trucks they wouldn't have to go to so much extra
effort to make it work. Just because the square peg is small enough to fit
in the round hole, doesn't mean it is a match.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:
> Nick,
>
> One Megaload has already been shipped through Highway 12 so doesn't that
> torpedo your point about the route not being apporpriate? It's interesting
> to me that the argument continues to shift from Tom being incoherent and
> all over the map as usual, to Rose's point about Treaty Rights which is
> what is presently stalling out the move, and now to yours about the road
> not being appropriately 'high and wide'.
>
> If any others want to pile on with their ancillary reasons for blocking
> the Megaload shipments, now would be a good time to add to the growing list.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> From: ngier at uidaho.edu
> To: thansen at moscow.com; scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; ngier006 at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:00:46 +0000
>
> I didn't see this go through. Forgive me if this is re-post
>
> Hi Wayne:
>
> As an anti-megaload advocate, I do not deny that Highway 12 is a
> commercial road. To argue otherwise is absurd.
>
> What I do say is that it is not an appropriate "high and wide (!!!!)"
> industrial corridor as the designated route, for example, that goes
> from Houston to the Canadian border. That's where these loads should
> be hauled.
>
> Nick
> ------------------------------
> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> on
> behalf of Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:57 PM
> *To:* Scott Dredge
> *Cc:* viz
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
>
> Glad you're interested, Mr. Dredge.
>
> Here is Judge Winmill's decision in its entirety. Happy reading!
>
> http://www.nomegaloads.com/091313_Judge_Winmill_Ruling.htm
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't read the ruling but the snipets from the judge that were
> printed in the press were well reasoned in my opinion. I have no issue
> with the ruling. The whole 'Treaty Rights' deal is your pet peeve and if
> it has teeth, then run with it. It has little to do with screwing up Tom's
> beautiful Highway 12 which unarguably already screws up the natural beauty
> of the region. It's almost a shame that there weren't more Toms around
> back in the day to stop the highway from being built in the first place
> rather than just now trying to stop it from being temporarily used for its
> intended purpose.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> From: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; godshatter at yahoo.com; bear at moscow.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:13:47 -0700
>
> Have any of you read U.S. District Judge B. Lynn Winmill ruled in favor
> of the Nez Perce Tribe and Idaho Rivers United, granting an injunction to
> stop future Omega Morgan megaload shipments on U.S. Highway 12.<http://www.scribd.com/doc/168014725/Megaload-Ruling>? Do any of you understand the term “Treaty Rights” ? Are you aware of the
> terms of the 1855 Treaty? Best inform yourselves a bit more or folks might
> think that you are all blatting on about things you have no specialist
> knowledge, background or training on.
>
> Rose Huskey
>
>
>
> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [
> mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Dredge
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:19 PM
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart; Wayne Price
> *Cc:* viz
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
>
>
>
> I just think the whole brouhaha is politics as usual. Using Hansen's
> illogic about a the 'once-beautiful passage (simply cited on a map as US
> Highway 12) from Lewiston, Idaho to Lolo, Montana', anyone could make the
> case that Highway 12 itself already has ruined this 'once-beautiful
> passage'. I think all precautions should be put in place to safely move
> the Megaloads down Highway 12 with minimal disruption to those living and
> traveling along that corridor, but once they've moved on through there
> wouldn't be anything different from now. The one Megaload that has already
> gone through hasn't changed anything about that stretch of highway so that
> pretty much neuters the argument that the Megaloads will ruin things. The
> delays will be forgotten, trees are renewable, and road and power line
> damage can be fixed. Anything affecting the scenic view (or lack thereof)
> years from now will be caused by something other than the Megaloads which
> are simply passing through for a relatively very brief period of time.
>
> -Scott
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:48:26 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
> To: bear at moscow.com; scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> From my perspective, I understand and sympathize with arguments involving
> the possible problems with moving a large megaload through the area
> (delays, cutting trees, possible damage to the road). What I object to are
> the political arguments involving the purpose for these megaloads. I
> really don't want our government deciding what legal items we are allowed
> or not allowed to move along a public road based solely on their intended
> purpose. The roads should be like the phone lines. No restrictions on
> what goes down them unless an actual law is broken. Pursuant to the
> permitting process and so forth, of course.
>
> I do think what you are saying about "if they control it then they should
> pay for it" makes sense. There are also some State/Federal issue I'm not
> particularly comfortable with here, too.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> *To:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
>
>
>
> Scott,
>
>
>
> I have also driven Hwy 12, and there is NOTHING changed along that route,
> but I have taken steps by contacting my state representatives, and strongly
> urge them that since a federal judge in Boise has determined that both the
> Nez Perce Tribe and the US Forest Service now has the final say so over
> what travels on what was previously a state controlled highway, there
> should be NO state funds put into that highway. IF the Nez Perce and the
> Forest Service control that highway, let them pay for the maintenance and
> upkeep. This is also a red-flag warning to any other state that if one of
> their highways is designated a
>
>
>
> Roads were built and maintained for commerce. IF the nay-sayers want a
> road that looks and function like the route traveled by Lewis and Clark,
> so be it, but I don't want my state transportation dollars supporting it.
> Those funds, if approved by the state legislature, can come out of and be
> administered by the state historical preservations office.
>
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>
>
>
> When you write about 'our children and our children's children', is that
> specifically your children or other' children?
>
>
>
> One Megaload has already crossed. Have you been through Highway 12 since
> that time and noticed any change to the scenic environment? If not, when
> was the last time you travelled Highway 12 Megaload route?
>
>
> -Scott
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:55 AM, "Moscow Cares" <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>
> Years from now, when our children and our children's children,
> journey across that once-beautiful passage (simply cited on a map as US
> Highway 12) from Lewiston, Idaho to Lolo, Montana, i do not want their
> first two words to be, "Remember when . . . "
>
>
>
> Courtesy of today's (September 24, 2013) Lewiston Tribune.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
>
> If judge won't halt suspension, company will appeal
>
> A General Electric subsidiary said a federal judge made several legal
> errors when he barred megaloads from using U.S. Highway 12 and has asked
> him to reconsider.
>
> If the request is denied, attorneys for Resource Conservation Company
> International said they will appeal the ruling by U.S. District Judge B.
> Lynn Winmill that closed the highway to its contracted shipper Omega Morgan
> and its plans to haul massive water purification equipment to Canadian oil
> fields via the highway.
>
> On Sept. 12, Winmill ruled against RCCI and the U.S. Forest Service and
> issued a preliminary injunction ordering the agency to block the loads. The
> injunction was requested by the Nez Perce Tribe and the environmental group
> Idaho Rivers United. On Sept. 17, Regional Forester Faye Kruger of
> Missoula, Mont., issued an order barring megaloads from using the portion
> of the highway that crosses the forest.
>
> In his ruling, Winmill said the agency's failure to stop the shipments
> violated several federal laws, including the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act as
> well as the Clearwater National Forest Plan. That ruling was based, in
> part, on a phone conversation between Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell and
> Nez Perce Tribal Chairman Silas Whitman in which Tidwell reportedly refused
> Whitman's request to block the loads.
>
> The legal request from the company alleges Winmill was wrong to consider
> Tidwell's refusal as a final agency action because Forest Service officials
> were in the process of conducting a study on megaload impacts to the Middle
> Fork of the Clearwater/Lochsa Wild and Scenic River Corridor and had also
> begun formal consultations with the tribe.
>
> The company also disagreed with Winmill's finding that the agency's
> discretionary decision not to previously take enforcement action against
> Omega-Morgan was an "extreme abdication of statutory responsibility" and
> the company claims the judge based his decision to order the closure on an
> issue not raised during court briefings but raised in oral arguments,
> leaving them too little time to respond.
>
> Attorneys for the company also took issue with Winmill saying it stood to
> lose $5 million if it couldn't use the highway. They said the company
> actually could be out $85 million. Because the company's plans to use the
> highway predate a February decision by Winmill saying the Forest Service
> has authority to regulate megaload traffic, they said the judge's
> characterization of their decision to use the highway as a calculated risk
> was in error.
>
> "RCCI respectfully requests that the court, on an expedited basis,
> reconsider its order, deny plaintiffs' request for injunctive relief, and
> direct the Forest Service to rescind its September 17, 2013 closure order
> accordingly. Should the court decline to reconsider its order, or should it
> reconsider its order only to conclude that the injunction should remain,
> RCCI alternatively requests that the court grant RCCI's request to stay the
> injunction pending an appeal," according to court documents.
>
> The company shipped a megaload over the highway in early August, which
> spawned four nights of protests by tribal members and environmentalists.
> Another RCCI oversized load awaits shipment at the Port of Wilma and the
> company has said it intends to use the highway to ship six more loads to
> Canada.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
> A year or so ago a bunch of us "anti-megaloaders" gathered at the
> residence of Borg Hendricks and Lin Laughy. At one point during the
> festivities, Lin explained how this all got started a few years ago . . .
>
>
>
> He explained that, having heard about the potential of ever-increasing (in
> size and number) loads being transported up US-12 from the Lewiston Port
> into Montana and up to Canada, he and Borg discussed this and how
> adeversely it would impact the Scenic Byway of Highway 12. Apparently the
> discussion became a bit heated, and as they quizically looked at each
> other, Borg said to Lin (or Lin said to Borg) . . . "Hey, ya think maybe .
> . . ?"
>
>
>
> And so it began.
>
>
>
> Well, Lin and Borg, as a passage in the song "High Hopes" goes . . .
>
>
>
> "High Hopes"
>
>
>
> "Just what makes that little old ant
>
> Think he'll move that rubber tree plant
>
> Anyone knows an ant, can't
>
> Move a rubber tree plant
>
> But he's got high hopes
> He's got high hopes
> He's got high apple pie
> In the sky hopes
>
> So any time you're gettin' low
> 'Stead of lettin' go, just remember that ant
> Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant
> Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant
> Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant."
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "This is the 'Mouse that Roared,' 'David and Goliath' and 'Avatar' all
> rolled into one. We must remember that the thousands of citizens involved
> in this effort to protect their personal and family safety, their
> businesses and their lifestyles are confronting some of the largest
> international corporations in the world."
>
> ~ Linwood Laughy
>
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