[Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling

[Scott Dredge]

Tom ironically writes in reference to himself: 'people are struggling with basic comprehension'.

It kind of makes one wonder how anyone can travel highway 12 without expressed written consent of the tribe doesn't it?  Good thing we have courts in place to resolve disputes such as moving <whatever anyone wishes> on state highways.

CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; godshatter at yahoo.com; bear at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
From: thansen at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:36:49 -0700
To: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com

I have posted this before, but people are struggling with basic comprehension, so . . .
Courtesy of the Center for Columbia River History at:
http://www.ccrh.org/comm/river/treaties/np63.htm
Article 2 of the Nez Perce Treaty of 1863 (No, it never expired).
"Article II. The United States agree to reserve for a home, and for the sole use and occupation of said tribe, the tract of land included within the following boundaries, to wit: Commencing at the N.E. corner of Lake Wa-ha, and running thence, northerly, to a point on the north bank of the Clearwater river, three miles below the mouth of the Lapwai, thence down the north bank of the Clearwater to the mouth of the Hatwai creek; thence, due north, to a point seven miles distant; thence, eastwardly, to a point on the north fork of the Clearwater, seven miles distant from its mouth; thence to a point on Oro Fino Creek, five miles above its mouth; thence to a point on the north fork of the south fork of the Clearwater, five miles above its mouth; thence to a point on the south fork of the Clearwater, one mile above the bridge, on the road leading to Elk City, (so as to include all the Indian farms within the forks;) thence in a straight line, westwardly, to the place of beginning."
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There is so very much more photographed, videographed, and documented stuff at . . . 
"No Megaloads"http://www.NoMegaloads.com
If additional stuff (like recent press releases from Idaho Rivers United and the Nez Perce Tribal Council that I jus' ain't had the time to convert, upload, and post) is need, jus' let me kniw.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
 

On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:13 PM, "Rosemary Huskey" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com> wrote:

Have any of you read U.S. District Judge B. Lynn Winmill ruled in favor of the Nez Perce Tribe and Idaho Rivers United, granting an injunction to stop future Omega Morgan megaload shipments on U.S. Highway 12. ?  Do any of you understand the term “Treaty Rights” ? Are you aware of the terms of the 1855 Treaty?  Best inform yourselves a bit more or folks might think that you are all blatting on about things you have no specialist knowledge, background or training on.  Rose Huskey From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Scott Dredge
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:19 PM
To: Paul Rumelhart; Wayne Price
Cc: viz
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling I just think the whole brouhaha is politics as usual.  Using Hansen's illogic about a the 'once-beautiful passage (simply cited on a map as US Highway 12) from Lewiston, Idaho to Lolo, Montana', anyone could make the case that Highway 12 itself already has ruined this 'once-beautiful passage'.  I think all precautions should be put in place to safely move the Megaloads down Highway 12 with minimal disruption to those living and traveling along that corridor, but once they've moved on through there wouldn't be anything different from now.  The one Megaload that has already gone through hasn't changed anything about that stretch of highway so that pretty much neuters the argument that the Megaloads will ruin things.  The delays will be forgotten, trees are renewable, and road and power line damage can be fixed.  Anything affecting the scenic view (or lack thereof) years from now will be caused by something other than the Megaloads which are simply passing through for a relatively very brief period of time.

-ScottDate: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:48:26 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
To: bear at moscow.com; scooterd408 at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.comFrom my perspective, I understand and sympathize with arguments involving the possible problems with moving a large megaload through the area (delays, cutting trees, possible damage to the road).  What I object to are the political arguments involving the purpose for these megaloads.  I really don't want our government deciding what legal items we are allowed or not allowed to move along a public road based solely on their intended purpose.  The roads should be like the phone lines.  No restrictions on what goes down them unless an actual law is broken.  Pursuant to the permitting process and so forth, of course.

I do think what you are saying about "if they control it then they should pay for it" makes sense.  There are also some State/Federal issue I'm not particularly comfortable with here, too.

Paul  From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> 
Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling Scott, I have also driven Hwy 12, and there is NOTHING changed along that route, but I have taken steps by contacting my state representatives, and strongly urge them that since a federal judge in Boise has determined that both the Nez Perce Tribe and the US Forest Service now has the final say so over what travels on what was previously a state controlled highway, there should be NO state funds put into that highway. IF the Nez Perce and the Forest Service control that highway, let them pay for the maintenance and upkeep. This is also a red-flag warning to any other state that if one of their highways is designated a  Roads were built and maintained for commerce. IF the nay-sayers want a road that looks and function like the route traveled  by  Lewis and Clark, so be it, but I don't want my state transportation dollars supporting it. Those funds, if approved by the state legislature, can come out of and be administered by the state historical preservations office. Wayne  On Sep 24, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Scott Dredge wrote: When you write about 'our children and our children's children', is that specifically your children or other' children? One Megaload has already crossed. Have you been through Highway 12 since that time and noticed any change to the scenic environment?  If not, when was the last time you travelled Highway 12 Megaload route?
-Scott
On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:55 AM, "Moscow Cares" <moscowcares at moscow.com> wrote:Years from now, when our children and our children's children, journey across that once-beautiful passage (simply cited on a map as US Highway 12) from Lewiston, Idaho to Lolo, Montana, i do not want their first two words to be, "Remember when . . . " Courtesy of today's (September 24, 2013) Lewiston Tribune. ---------------------------------Firm seeks to undo megaloads rulingIf judge won't halt suspension, company will appealA General Electric subsidiary said a federal judge made several legal errors when he barred megaloads from using U.S. Highway 12 and has asked him to reconsider.If the request is denied, attorneys for Resource Conservation Company International said they will appeal the ruling by U.S. District Judge B. Lynn Winmill that closed the highway to its contracted shipper Omega Morgan and its plans to haul massive water purification equipment to Canadian oil fields via the highway.On Sept. 12, Winmill ruled against RCCI and the U.S. Forest Service and issued a preliminary injunction ordering the agency to block the loads. The injunction was requested by the Nez Perce Tribe and the environmental group Idaho Rivers United. On Sept. 17, Regional Forester Faye Kruger of Missoula, Mont., issued an order barring megaloads from using the portion of the highway that crosses the forest.In his ruling, Winmill said the agency's failure to stop the shipments violated several federal laws, including the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act as well as the Clearwater National Forest Plan. That ruling was based, in part, on a phone conversation between Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell and Nez Perce Tribal Chairman Silas Whitman in which Tidwell reportedly refused Whitman's request to block the loads.The legal request from the company alleges Winmill was wrong to consider Tidwell's refusal as a final agency action because Forest Service officials were in the process of conducting a study on megaload impacts to the Middle Fork of the Clearwater/Lochsa Wild and Scenic River Corridor and had also begun formal consultations with the tribe.The company also disagreed with Winmill's finding that the agency's discretionary decision not to previously take enforcement action against Omega-Morgan was an "extreme abdication of statutory responsibility" and the company claims the judge based his decision to order the closure on an issue not raised during court briefings but raised in oral arguments, leaving them too little time to respond.Attorneys for the company also took issue with Winmill saying it stood to lose $5 million if it couldn't use the highway. They said the company actually could be out $85 million. Because the company's plans to use the highway predate a February decision by Winmill saying the Forest Service has authority to regulate megaload traffic, they said the judge's characterization of their decision to use the highway as a calculated risk was in error."RCCI respectfully requests that the court, on an expedited basis, reconsider its order, deny plaintiffs' request for injunctive relief, and direct the Forest Service to rescind its September 17, 2013 closure order accordingly. Should the court decline to reconsider its order, or should it reconsider its order only to conclude that the injunction should remain, RCCI alternatively requests that the court grant RCCI's request to stay the injunction pending an appeal," according to court documents.The company shipped a megaload over the highway in early August, which spawned four nights of protests by tribal members and environmentalists. Another RCCI oversized load awaits shipment at the Port of Wilma and the company has said it intends to use the highway to ship six more loads to Canada. --------------------------------- A year or so ago a bunch of us "anti-megaloaders" gathered at the residence of Borg Hendricks and Lin Laughy.  At one point during the festivities, Lin explained how this all got started a few years ago . . . He explained that, having heard about the potential of ever-increasing (in size and number) loads being transported up US-12 from the Lewiston Port into Montana and up to Canada, he and Borg discussed this and how adeversely it would impact the Scenic Byway of Highway 12.  Apparently the discussion became a bit heated, and as they quizically looked at each other, Borg said to Lin (or Lin said to Borg) . . . "Hey, ya think maybe . . . ?" And so it began. Well, Lin and Borg, as a passage in the song "High Hopes" goes . . . "High Hopes" "Just what makes that little old antThink he'll move that rubber tree plantAnyone knows an ant, can'tMove a rubber tree plantBut he's got high hopes
He's got high hopes
He's got high apple pie
In the sky hopesSo any time you're gettin' low
'Stead of lettin' go, just remember that ant
Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant
Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant
Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant."Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . ."Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho"This is the 'Mouse that Roared,' 'David and Goliath' and 'Avatar' all rolled into one.  We must remember that the thousands of citizens involved in this effort to protect their personal and family safety, their businesses and their lifestyles are confronting some of the largest international corporations in the world."~ Linwood Laughy =======================================================
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