[Vision2020] Alive at 25 (Sept 29, 2013)

[Joe Campbell]

Look, I'm not denying that the advice is good. Nor would I advocate
drinking and driving, smoking pot and driving, etc. But who needs these
messages? Does any "good" kid think that drinking and driving, smoking pot
and driving is a good decision to make? Are there folks who are confused
about this fact? Thus, you are preaching to the choir. Now some folks
genuinely need the advice no doubt. But acting as if what those folks are
missing information is just way out of touch with the actual situation.
They know they shouldn't do it, too, but for some of those folks that is
precisely why they do it. For others, they know they shouldn't and do it
anyway for reasons unclear.

All of this is just status quo; it is just the very situation we have in
the USA. There are good folks and they get the message and bad folks who
don't and for the latter we lock them up in prison where they belong. And
that's where we're at now, where we keep locking folks up but somehow the
problems persist. One day we need to wake up to the fact that the "bad"
folks fall into a few distinct categories: they are poor, they have at most
one parental role model (though more likely just one parent and no models),
or they suffer from some form of mental illness. And then what purpose was
the advice doing? Didn't you already make that clear to your kids in the
first place? And sharing it on the V is good because somehow one of us
forgot to tell our sons or daughters that drinking and driving was bad?


On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I've never claimed to be a libertarian. Why are you bent about any of
> this? 'Alive at 25' is a class that teaches about the reality of the
> statistically increased probably of injury or death to younger / less
> experienced drivers.  My only comment was that I hoped marijuana would be
> considered as one of the 'party drugs' they'd mentioned on the web site. To
> put it bluntly, they should advise people to not ever drive when they're
> stoned, drunk, or in any other impaired condition.  How can you even argue
> against such sane advice?
>
> -Scott
>
> On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:04 PM, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> People die from skiing, from driving, from walking, from living. Should we
> resist those activities? Here is my view. Let people do whatever they want
> as long as it doesn't interfere with others. Sure there are costs but not
> nearly as much as the costs of our high cost prison system. Some wish that
> they could believe in a nice white guy in the sky that will give them life
> ever after if only they choose to believe. Others cannot buy that because
> it sounds to them like a bunch of crap. (I'm still on the fence.) Life is
> hard and the fear of death causes folks to avoid thinking about it in all
> kinds of ways, sometimes (ironically) to the extent in which their
> indulgences make them that much closer too it. Arrest folks who drive
> drunk, high, whatever -- whenever their actions place risk upon the lives
> and interests of others -- but stop judging people and just let them live
> their own lives the best they can.
>
> By the way, you are officially NO libertarian in my book, Scott.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I would hope "marijuana" would be considered a subset of "party drugs"
>> and thus would be discouraged.
>>
>> From the website:
>> DDC-Alive at 25 teaches young adults that:
>>
>>    - People in their age group are more likely to be hurt or killed in a
>>    vehicle crash.
>>    - Inexperience, distractions, and peer pressure cause unique driving
>>    hazards.
>>    - Speeding, alcohol, and "party drugs" greatly increase their risk of
>>    injury or death.
>>    - As a driver or passenger, they can greatly reduce their risk by
>>    taking control.
>>    - Committing to changing their driving behavior makes personal, legal
>>    and financial sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:11:47 +0000
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Alive at 25 (Sept 29, 2013)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Our Next Class:  *
>>
>> *Sunday, September 29, 2013, 3:30 pm to 8:00 pm *
>>
>> *at the Moscow Police Department.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Alive at 25 *is a young driver intervention program developed by the
>> National Safety Council for drivers between 14 and 24 years of age. *Alive
>> at 25* was implemented in *Idaho* in 2010. This course is a 4.5 hour
>> program that focuses on the decision making processes and behaviors that
>> young drivers and passengers display in a motor vehicle and is designed to
>> prevent the number one killer of teens, automobile crashes.
>>
>> *Alive at 25* is taught exclusively by law enforcement officers who hold
>> candid conversations with students about what can happen if they practice
>> risky behavior or make other poor decisions in an automobile. This highly
>> interactive program encourages young drivers between the ages of 14 and
>> 24 to take responsibility for their driving behavior.
>>
>> Our next class is scheduled for September 29, 2013.  There is no cost.
>> If you are interested in your child or young adult attending this class,
>> please *register on line* at www.AliveAt25.us
>>
>> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact either myself or
>> Cpl. Bruce Lovell at the Moscow Police Department.
>>
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>> <image003.png>Cpl. Art Lindquist
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>>             Moscow Police Department
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>>             118 East 4th Street
>>
>>             Moscow, Idaho  83843
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>>             alindquist at ci.moscow.id.us
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>>             208-883-7129
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