[Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Sat Jun 8 09:37:33 PDT 2013

Oops.  That first sentence should have read "The two major parties *disagree* far less than they try to make it look like."  Sorry, haven't had enough Mountain Dew yet this morning.

Paul

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 From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

I agree wholeheartedly about the partisanship problem.  The two major parties agree far less than they try to make it look like.  The third-party choices realistically haven't been overrun yet by the type of people that desire more of this kind of power, but if they get big enough they will.  That's why we need protections and checks and balances, to keep the various government agencies in check.  It would be nice, too, if we could reduce this behemoth of a government down to something more reasonable.

Paul

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 From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Scott,

You really think the 4th Amendment will protect you? It's far more likely that another exception will be carved out of its tattered remains.

What really troubles me, across the board, is our 'Partisan Gotcha' approach to politics. When Bush was doing terrible things, liberals were able to recognize it, while conservatives defended him. Now Obama does the same things, and liberals defend him. Conservatives attack him on domestic policy issues, and where there are screw-ups like Benghazi, but agree with him on most foreign policy matters. Glenn Greenwald has been writing about this for some time; apparently liberals didn't really object to the policy, just the people who were carrying it out.

Sunil

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:26:21 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; thansen at moscow.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
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 [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S.	Internet companies in broad secret program

Don't worry about it.  They are just tightening the screws every chance they get.  I'm sure it will all end well, since I can't fathom that my government would ever do me wrong.

Paul

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 From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> 
Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Neither particularly scare me.  And if those working in security departments for US government gather data on me in a way that violates the 4th amendment such that this info can't be used against me in a court of law, then I'm already protected.  What should I be worrying about that I'm currently not concerned about?  Public humiliation if this info is released to the masses?

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:42:53 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: thansen at moscow.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S.	Internet companies in broad secret program

Yes, events like that happen (rarely).  Does that scare the piss out of you so much that you think it's OK to watch everyone all the time?

Paul

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 From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>; KRFP <krfp at radiofreemoscow.org>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Paul Rumelhart declared:

"I'm personally about as scared of dying today in a terrorist attack as I am of seeing Tom Hansen and Doug Wilson throw down their gauntlets and become best buds."

I'll second that!  It's not like I will ever run in the Boston Marathon.

Seeya at the Wingding, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

I'm personally about as scared of dying today in a terrorist attack as I am of seeing Tom Hansen and Doug Wilson throw down their gauntlets and become best buds.  

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