[Vision2020] Global Warming: The North Pole is now a lake.
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu Jul 25 15:13:47 PDT 2013
I am just refuting faulty rhetoric. Don't take it so personally, Paul. I'm not criticizing you. I'm just criticizing your bad arguments and claims.
On Jul 25, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Maybe you should spend less time trying to psychoanalyze me and more time jerking off, or whatever it is you enjoy doing.
>
> Paul
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Global Warming: The North Pole is now a lake.
>
> I love you approach to life.
>
> If you're walking down the street and there's a black guy with the hoddie, then you can stalk him and then shoot him. You never know; he might be a danger to you.
>
> But if 1 million scientists tell you that the earth is melting you can ignore them.
>
> Nothing political about that set of beliefs!
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, this post started with a web page with a picture of a melt pond and a description of the north pole as a "lake".
>>
>> I'm the one that threw in the graphs and charts and other tidbits, in order to place this observation in perspective.
>>
>> Paujl
>>
>>
>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> To: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
>> Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Global Warming: The North Pole is now a lake.
>>
>> This post started with a report of the findings of a scientific argument. If you reject scientific consensus, what could you possibly mean by "objective data"?
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Take that, Rumelhart! No way objective data in the form of charts or graphs can stand up to the scientific power of the mighty limerick.
>>>
>>> g
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>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>> Let's sum it up in poetry, Mr. Rumelhart.; limerick poetry, that is!
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> It's not cold in Alaska, not storming.
>>> It's to world climate patterns conforming.
>>> The permafrost's melting,
>>> And temps are sunbelting,
>>> As we all watch our doom—global warming.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> The oceans are rising, I hear.
>>> The atolls will soon disappear.
>>> These low-lying islands,
>>> So lacking in highlands,
>>> Will soon be submerged, so I fear.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Global warming could generate heat
>>> That would cause polar ice to retreat.
>>> If the permafrost goes,
>>> Words like icebergs and floes
>>> Would, like arctically, be obsolete.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> An Adelie besieged at the Pole
>>> Can't protect its own eggs on patrol.
>>> Damp spring snow, eggs exposed;
>>> Penguin chicks die enclosed.
>>> Global warming is taking its toll.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Baked Alaska once just meant dessert.
>>> Now it's feared that the Earth has been hurt.
>>> Ice caps melt; global warming
>>> Keeps glaciers from forming.
>>> Can Ketchikan catch torrid dirt?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> A calamity's here, no mistakin';
>>> Global warming has left us all shaken.
>>> America's hot,
>>> But it's worse, is it not,
>>> What with every Canadian bakin'?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Global warming may lower the boom,
>>> Leaving humans enshrouded in gloom.
>>> Will our hubris and sin
>>> Send the earth in a spin—
>>> Cataclysmically plunging toward doom?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> My atlas is now out of date,
>>> For Greenland's been changing of late;
>>> Warming Island's appeared
>>> And this means, as we feared,
>>> There's a rise in the ice-melting rate.
>>> And when glaciers break up they disclose
>>> A topography nobody knows.
>>> So as ice sheets retreat,
>>> And seas rise with the heat,
>>> The demand for new atlases grows.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> You're welcome, Mr. Rumelhart.
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>
>>> - John Lennon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Every year ice melts on large stretches of the ice cap where it cannot drain into the ocean. It forms ponds, puddles, lakes, whatever you want to call them. This happens at the North Pole as well as at other locations on the ice pack. This is one of the reasons determining sea ice area is difficult. It's hard to tell ocean water from water-on-top-of-the-ice sometimes. Currently, both the sea ice extent and sea ice area numbers are higher than they were last year and higher than they were in 2011 or 2007. Here is a nice place where a lot of the charts are linked to from the same source: http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/ I must warn you that Ted hates this website, but since it's a bunch of links to data from official sciency-type places, I think it's OK to start there.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to watch the NORSEX SSM/I extent and area charts, since those are the charts I've been following for a few years now. There are also lots of other interesting graphs, as well as the webcam images from the north pole used in the article. If you go there and look at the two web cams right now, you'll see that only one looks like it's in a lake. The other one looks to be safely on solid ice/snow pack.
>>>>
>>>> I don't say this out of some sort of effort to promote climate denialism in an attempt to wreak havoc on the framework of American Life and to lead your kids to rock music, I say it to stem the "OMG! The North Pole is a lake! We're all dooooomed!" hysteria. I have no idea how this year will turn out in terms of minimum extent or area compared to previous years, but I'd rather look at the pretty graphs than take all my information from a webcam image.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
>>>> To: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Global Warming: The North Pole is now a lake.
>>>>
>>>> If ever there was any doubt in your mind about global warming, consider this news:
>>>> The North Pole, that great bastion of eternal cold and barren ice, is a lake.
>>>> It’s a shallow lake. It’s a cold lake. But it is, actually, a lake.
>>>> According to the North Pole Environmental Observatory, the summer ice is melting away at unprecedented rates. The sea of snow is now meltwater.
>>>>
>>>> http://o.canada.com/2013/07/24/the-north-pole-is-now-a-lake/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken
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