[Vision2020] Should he have stayed in his truck?

Mon Jul 22 17:55:26 PDT 2013

Lord knows I disagree with Tom plenty. However, I think you're the only person who thinks Tom made that inference.

Sunil 

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:35:49 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Should he have stayed in his truck?

I don't know what 13- and 14-year-olds deserve.  I'll have to think about this for a while. I was just responding to Tom's inferences that these kids were getting the short end of the stick while Zimmerman, because people think of him as white I guess, got a waived sentence.  So I was curious what lesser sentences they deserved.

I don't believe that there is any one age where a child magically becomes an adult.  It's a continuum.  I would also be very surprised if I found out that a adults brain crystallizes at a set age and never changes after that.  Anything beyond that I'll have to think about a bit.

Oh, I'm not a neuroscience denier, by the way.  I'm sure that a teenagers brain is different than a middle-aged man's brain.  I just don't know what you want me to do with that
 information.  How should I change my current tactics of treating 17-year-olds as adults when I meet them?  What should I do differently, knowing that their brain functioning is not fully developed in the regions that govern impulse control?  Should we as a society not punish teenagers for doing things we are sure they understand are wrong?

Paul

      From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
 To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com Vision2020"
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Paul,

What do you think 13- and 14-year-olds deserve? Of course, 
you ignore climate science, so it doesn't surprise me that you ignored 
the information I posted recently about brain development and age too. 
But what do YOU think and for what reason? What is YOUR theory of moral 
responsibility? When do people become eligible for guilt and punishment?
 At what age and under what conditions are individuals to be held fully 
accountable for their actions? And what is YOUR justification for 
holding the view about moral responsibility that you hold? Immaterial 
soul? Magic? Anything you damn well feel like believing?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful. But I have an answer to these questions. In fact, this is one of my primary research interests, so I could talk about it all day. I'd like to hear what you have to say.

Best, Joe

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Do you think they deserve any less?

Paul

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 To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> 
Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 

 Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 2:35 PM
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And those 13- and 14-year-olds (in the beginning years of their teens) who assaulted Mahaney, . . . two sentenced to probation . . . three plead guilty to felonious assault . . . the sixth pending trial; all six of whom may be facing homicide charges if an autopsy reflects that the assault may have been contributory to Mahaney's death.

Nope.  No waiver there.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com
  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling
 you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

Barely out of his teens? Again relevant for him but not Martin!?!
On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
 wrote:

1st charge, "when he was  barely out of his teens" :   waived2nd set of charges (Civil charge):  mutual restraining orders3rd charge: dismissed

On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:

Here's some more information about Zimmerman. Domestic violence? Fighting with a police officer? How come no one called him a "thug"?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

Zimmerman helps family in car wreck

                                              (CNN) -- Four days after he was acquitted of murder, George Zimmerman stepped out of seclusion to help a family get out of an overturned     vehicle in Florida, authorities said Monday.

Zimmerman and another man helped four people get out of an SUV that had overturned Wednesday evening in Sanford -- the same community where the former neighborhood watch volunteer fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012 -- Seminole County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Heather Smith said.

Authorities were called after the SUV went off the road and rolled over in the area of Interstate 4 and State Road 46. By the time a deputy arrived, Zimmerman and another man already had helped the two adults and two children out of the vehicle, Smith said.

Zimmerman did not witness the crash, and he left after making contact with the deputy, Smith said. No injuries were reported.

Zimmerman has been out of the public eye since a jury found him not guilty of second degree murder on July 13. His parents told ABC News last week that their family has received an "enormous amount of death threats."

He fatally shot Martin in the Sanford neighborhood where Zimmerman and Martin's father lived in February 2012. Zimmerman, a Hispanic man, had a confrontation with the African-American teen after calling police to report a suspicious person, and he said he shot Martin in self-defense.

The case became a flashpoint in debates over racial profiling, and thousands attended vigils across the country over the weekend, decrying the verdict.
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