[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95

[Joe Campbell]

http://vimeo.com/fiorecartoons/george-zimmerman-off-the-hook

Interesting take. Joe


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Let me see if I have this right.
>
> *The Facts as We Know Them . . .*
>
> George Zimmerman, an armed 28-year old neighborhood watch, follows, shoots
> and kills Trayvon Martin, a 17-year old boy (armed with Skittles) who lives
> in the neighborhood in which he was killed.
>
> Anything beyond these facts is pure conjecture from either side of the
> argument.  No other witnesses other than George Zimmerman were physically
> present, other than . . .
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
>
>
>
> Seeya at the rally, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not holding rallies to tout my scenario to the masses, just putting it
> up there as a counter-point to a media-driven politically-fueled mindset
> that may end up with another death in what is already a terrible tragedy.
>
> I guess the white (hispanic, whatever) guy can never be a victim himself.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "scooterd408 at hotmail com" <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; "siyocreo at livecom" <
> siyocreo at live.com>; "moscowlocksmith at gmail com" <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>;
> "vision2020 at moscow com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2013 4:32 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>
> You don't see any possible harm in continuing to promote Zimmerman as if
> he did nothing wrong? A world with MORE folks acting like Zimmerman is a
> better world? My point is that taking the law into your own hand is wrong,
> that is what Zimmerman did wrong. Not sure how that attitude encourages
> harm against Zimmerman.
>
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know about you, but when no one knows the truth I don't like to
> make up scenarios that get this guy death threats without actual evidence.
> It appears to me to be irresponsible.
> Paul
>
>  ------------------------------
> * From: * Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>;
> * To: * Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>;
> * Cc: * Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; Keely Emerine-Mix <
> siyocreo at live.com>; Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; viz <
> vision2020 at moscow.com>;
> * Subject: * Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
> * Sent: * Thu, Jul 18, 2013 10:56:31 PM
>
>   Paul,
>
> Anything is possible. It is possible that you are in the Matrix world.
>
> What I don't understand is why you let loose the possibilities when it
> affects your beliefs but you hold them tight when it goes against those
> beliefs.
>
> In truth, I can understand your point. I'm not trying to condemn
> Zimmerman. He was naive and because of that got caught up in an unfortunate
> situation. But let's be fair about this situation. A young man, perhaps
> aggressive (unlike most young men?!?) but nonetheless walking in his
> neighborhood was stalked and shot and killed.
>
> You pretend to be in favor of freedom but if a black man is not free to
> walk around in his own neighborhood without being stalked and then shot
> then WTF. Freedom doesn't mean squat.
>
> Best, Joe
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> This is what I don't get.  You write "There should have been more evidence
> and why there wasn't is a story that, in part, touches on institutional
> racism."  Isn't it possible that they didn't have more evidence of second
> degree murder because it simply didn't exist, and that your preconceived
> notions about him are wrong?  One could even call them "racist", because if
> the evidence doesn't actually exist you are assuming that it is there
> because you are assuming he was targeting blacks.  That's called reaching a
> conclusion before all the facts are in.
>
> You also write "Not to mention that Zimmerman likely would not have been
> following around a white kid who lived in the neighborhood."  How could you
> possibly know this?  Hell, Zimmerman didn't even self-identify as "white".
> Wouldn't he, in his gung-ho neighborhood watch kind of way, be targeting
> anyone he didn't know?  I've seen no evidence that Zimmerman was motivated
> even partly by race in this, but I see it assumed all over the damned
> place.  To the tune of credible death threats to both himself and his
> parents.
>
> The guy was found not guilty in a court of law.  Shouldn't that be the end
> of it?
>
> Paul
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Keely Emerine-Mix <
> siyocreo at live.com>; Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; viz <
> vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:59 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>
> I appreciate your contributions on this, Scott.
>
> What Roger is missing in the previous post is that I'm not condemning the
> jurors. I think there was a failure in the justice system -- broadly
> construed -- that was essentially racist, if we want to be honest about it.
> But I don't think the failure was with the verdict. Given the laws, given
> the evidence, likely the verdict was correct.
>
> And here is a positive thing about all this -- that I think you'll like
> too, Scott: the justice system -- narrowly construed -- for all its
> criticisms, might be just fine; given the evidence, they made the right
> decision. There should have been more evidence and why there wasn't is a
> story that, in part, touches on institutional racism.
>
> Not to mention that Zimmerman likely would not have been following around
> a white kid who lived in the neighborhood.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> My Tuesday morning quarterback analysis of this would be that in the heat
> of the moment neither Zimmerman nor Martin were thinking rationally.  I
> disagree with Gary about 'Martin's decision' but wouldn't call that opinion
> 'stupid'.  My guess is that Martin eventually went into 'fight or flight'
> type of mindset once he realized he was being tracked.  He's only 17 years
> old, he wouldn't have much real world experience in diffusing
> confrontations. Once this kind of situation escalated to the point where
> there both scrapping, I'd expect adrenaline rushes and survival instincts
> to be kicking in with both of them.  They were fighting.  All bets are off
> at this point with the edge going to Zimmerman since he would was aware
> that he was in possession of a gun.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:06:11 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: siyocreo at live.com; moscowlocksmith at gmail.com;
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>
> I don't see where you are coming from, Keely.  You are responding to this
> paragraph, right?
>
> "Poor decisions were made by both Zimmerman and Martin. Zimmerman's
> decisions may have been ill considered (following on foot if that is in
> fact what he did) but legal. Martin's decision to leap out of the bushes
> and assault a stranger instead of simply continuing on the seventy yard to
> his fathers girlfriends home was not."
>
> Where is the intellectual dishonesty?  Why do you think this analysis is
> "stupid"?
>
> Someone leaving their vehicle and walking down a sidewalk behind someone
> else is not, in fact, illegal.  Neither is following him in an SUV while
> talking to the police.  It was probably not a brilliant idea on Zimmerman's
> part, but not illegal.  If Zimmerman's account is correct, Martin
> confronted him, knocked him to the ground with a punch to the nose, and
> continued to beat his head into the pavement for about a minute.  We don't
> know for certain, of course, that what Zimmerman says is true, but it seems
> to be supported by the evidence.  He had a broken nose, cuts on the back of
> his head, and bruises on his face.  When the police played an audio
> recording of the screams during the event for Martin's father, he was asked
> if he thought it was his son screaming.  He replied "no".  When they played
> the recording for Zimmerman's father, he replied that he thought it was his
> son and that he sounded like he was screaming for his life.
>
> Confronting someone and knocking him to the ground and then pummeling him
> with blows crosses a definite line.  Zimmerman claims that he was trying to
> move back off the concrete when Martin saw his gun.  He then allegedly told
> Zimmerman that he was "going to die tonight".  That's when he shot him.
>
> As I said before, it appears that the "white guy stalks and then guns down
> a defenseless black child" meme doesn't fit this case. Martin could have
> avoided a confrontation simply by continuing to walk home to his dad's
> girlfriend's place.  I agree with the jury that there was no evidence for
> second degree murder, certainly not beyond a reasonable doubt.
>
> Just forget how the media wants to portray this event, and think about
> this possible scenario:
>
> Zimmerman is tired of a spate of recent burglaries in his community, and
> wants to do something about it.  He joins the local neighborhood watch.  He
> does what you should do on the neighborhood watch, he phones anything he
> sees as suspicious in to the police.
>
> Now comes the night in question.  He sees a teenager walking through the
> neighborhood in the rain in the dark wearing black clothes and a black
> hoodie that covers his face.  He does what he has always done at this
> point, he calls it in.  He follows him to keep tabs on where he is until
> the police get there.  When they ask him his location, he can't tell them
> precisely.  Maybe because it's dark and rainy outside and he hasn't been
> paying attention to his exact location as he tries to keep him in sight.
> So he gets out of his SUV, walks down the block until he can see a street
> sign, and then starts to walk back to his vehicle.  He is then confronted
> by Martin, a confrontation he tries to avoid, and he gets attacked.  He's
> on the ground, Martin is straddling him, punching him in the face and
> causing his head to get smashed into the sidewalk.  Zimmerman, still trying
> to get away rather than fight, tries to scooch back to the grass so that
> his head isn't getting smashed into the concrete anymore.  In doing so, his
> clothes get disheveled and his concealed weapon shows.  Martin threatens
> his life, and Zimmerman (probably fearing that he's going to go for his
> gun) shoots him.
>
> The police arrive, do a little investigating, and determine that there is
> no case for further charges that they think could stick, so they let him
> go.  The resulting media frenzy ensues, and he now has a $10,000 reward on
> his life courtesy of the New Black Panthers.  Spike Lee, thinking he knew
> where he was staying, tweets his location only to send the elderly couple
> that lived there fleeing for their lives.  Zimmerman is in hiding, can't go
> to work, and fears for his life on a daily basis.  The police, shamed in
> public by basically everyone, bring charges after all.  People all across
> the country think he stalked the poor kid and shot him, when he was just
> trying to find out exactly where he was.
>
> Now he is acquitted at trial, and people still think he's some kind of
> wannabee serial killer of small black children or something.  People like
> Saundra call him a "monster".  Rallies are held around the country, some of
> them quite violent.
>
> This is Zimmerman's story, which is routinely tossed aside by those who
> wish to follow the media's take on things.  From my perspective, it's at
> least as plausible as the story of him being racially motivated to gun that
> kid down.  It appears to be consistent with the evidence.  It's a story
> that comes directly from the only living witness to the event.
>
> Do I know what happened, exactly, that night?  No, I don't.  But neither
> does anyone else save Zimmerman himself.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> *To:* Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; Joe Campbell <
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:51 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>
> I'm going to briefly abandon my attempts to civil and thoughtful for a
> moment and say, Gary, the only thing that I can muster in regard to your
> final paragraph:
>
> That's the most bizarre, facile, intellectually dishonest and frankly
> stupid analysis of this whole travesty I've ever heard.
>
> Keely
>
>
>
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:51:51 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
> From: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> CC: lfalen at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; siyocreo at live.com
>
> I very strongly suspect that the likelihood of being jumped and beaten by
> one of the local seventeen year olds would be vanishingly small to the
> point that to bet otherwise would be to throw away cash.
>
> I have to imagine that it's fun for some to endlessly bang away at the
> "stalked the poor child" narrative but, an equally valid perspective would
> be that Zimmerman was performing a public service to his community by being
> involved in a neighborhood watch program and was in no way attempting to be
> surreptitious or covert in his attention to Martin's presence.
>
> Poor decisions were made by both Zimmerman and Martin. Zimmerman's
> decisions may have been ill considered (following on foot if that is in
> fact what he did) but legal. Martin's decision to leap out of the bushes
> and assault a stranger instead of simply continuing on the seventy yard to
> his fathers girlfriends home was not.
>
>
> g
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> The best point to make is not that Zimmerman was racist, or that the
> jurors were racist. There is no basis for either assertion.
>
> That doesn't mean the case isn't symptomatic of a kind of persistent
> institutionalized racism. You say first reports were that Zimmerman
> attacked an unarmed kid. But that report turned out to be false.
>
> How is it false? He was 17 and unarmed. Say what you want but Zimmerman
> stalked then shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy who was merely
> walking around his own neighborhood. How could you not feel outrage?
>
> Why don't you drive around the streets of Moscow and follow all the
> 17-year-old kids you see. See what happens. There seems to be a kind of
> wreckless negligence on the part of Zimmerman, if nothing else.
>
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:27 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just a few comments.
> From the first reports out it appeared that Zimmerman had unjustly
> attacked and unarmed kid. A picture was shown of a 12 year old Trayvon.
> This report turned out to be false. Ziommerman is not a monster or a saint.
> He was a mentor for black kids and he took a black girl to the prom. He
> obviously is not a racist. This was an unfortunate event where both have
> some responsibility. We are a nation of laws. On the bases of the evidence,
> the jury had no choice but to acquit. There have been many cases where
> whites has have killed blacks due to racial hatred and they should have
> been executed for it. Just two example are Emmett Till and the three Civil
> Rights workers.  This case is entirely different.
> Roger
>
> ------------------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Keely Emerine-Mix" <siyocreo at live.com>
> Date: 07/15/13 18:29
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>
> A few points.
>
> On 07/15/2013 05:36 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:
>
>
> No, Paul – *you* are missing the point.  Make as many excuses about
> Zimmerman’s “recklessness” as you want, but that doesn’t change the *fact*that an innocent child who was doing
> *nothing wrong* is now dead because *he* (Trayvon) decided to exercise *
> his* right to defind *himself* against the deadly menace named George
> Zimmerman.
>
>
>
> Make no mistake about it:  Zimmerman was *stalking* this child the way a
> cat stalks a bird.
>
>
>
> In Zimmerman's version of events, he was trying to keep tabs on him until
> the police got there.
>
>
>
> And, make no mistake about it:  Trayvon Martin’s death was unjust.  It is
> *absolutely unjust* when an innocent child doing not a thing in the world
> wrong winds up dead because a nut with an indisputable chip on his shoulder
> has a gun, and the injustice is further magnified when the killer escapes
> punishment.
>
>
>
> He was acquitted in a court of law, because there wasn't enough evidence
> to convict him.  So what do you propose?  Throw the rule of law aside for
> this one case where you're sure he's guilty somehow?
>
>
>
> Trayvon had every right to “stand his ground” against a gun-carrying
> whacko who had already been told by LE *not* to follow the victim.  Any
> man, woman, or child of *any* color with connected brain cells would feel
> threatened being stalked at night by an unknown dangerous creep like
> Zimmerman.
>
>
>
> Martin had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had a gun, and didn't find out
> until after he was fighting him.
>
>
>
> And, if you don’t Get why folks are rightly upset that a monster like
> Zimmerman gets a free criminal pass for killing an innocent child and why
> they want to organize a vigil – or millions of vigils -- in Trayvon
> Martin’s honor, then I don’t know what to say other than I pity you and
> your lack of humanity.
>
>
>
> You have the nerve to call Zimmerman a "monster", and berate me for being
> subjective at the same time?  And why do you always assume that if I
> disagree with you that I "lack humanity"?  I know myself, and could give a
> crap if you know how much "humanity" I have.
>
>
>
> Finally, why don’t you just give it a rest?  Your biased explanation of
> why you felt the verdict was just was fine & mildly interesting, even
> though you included a lot of subjective speculation supporting your bias I
> guess you hoped we’d miss (LOL – too bad for you, I didn’t miss your
> selective subjectivity).
>
>
>
> I'm getting the idea that "bias" means "disagrees with Saundra", but I
> could be wrong.
>
>
>
> But, how about losing the arrogance that makes you think causes you don’t
> care about aren’t worthy, and how about losing the hubris that makes you
> think it appropriate to tell others where they should be directing their
> energies?  If you want to organize or get out there & protest for your list
> of causes, have at it!  No one is stopping you or suggesting you should be
> directing your focus elsewhere.
>
>
>
> Just trying to inject a little rationality into what appears to be yet
> another witch hunt.  A pastime I find enjoyable sometimes.
>
>
>
> Why, then, you do feel the need to chide others who *do* care – and care
> deeply – about the completely preventable tragic death of an innocent child
> at the hands of a lunatic vigilante?
>
>
>
> That death could have been prevented two ways.  Zimmerman could have left
> him alone after he'd done his job, and Martin could have not fought him.
> It's one of those real-life thingys where it's never as black and white (no
> pun intended) as people would like to believe.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> Saundra
>
>
> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [
> mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of* Paul Rumelhart
> *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2013 1:37 PM
> *To:* Keely Emerine-Mix; vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>
>  The problem as I see it, Keely, is that you want it to be an injustice.
> You want it to be about the innocent black kid that was gunned down by the
> armed white man for no reason other than he was black.  Facts to the
> contrary be damned.  It's a nice story, but just remember that that's what
> it is: a story.
>
> Paul
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> *To:* "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2013 1:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>
>
>  Tom, be there Friday at 6, tell everyone you know, bring whatever
> microphone you can, and I'll see you there.  I don't care how many people
> show up.  I care very much that I myself not be silent in the face of such
> an injustice.
>
> Keely
>
>
>
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>
> > From: vision2020-request at moscow.com
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> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> > 1. Re: Trayvon Martin rally? (Tom Hansen)
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:28:21 -0700
> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> > Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, Jeanne McHale
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> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
> > Message-ID: <21BCEC70-D46E-4829-B922-24FA74223826 at moscow.com>
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> >
> > I am with you 1,000,000,000 . . . %, Keely.
> >
> > Please let me know what I, or Moscow Cares, can do to make this rally a
> reality, and consider it done.
> >
> > Come on, V-Peeps. GIVE A DAMN !
> >
> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >
> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> > http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> >
> > - John Lennon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Visionaires,
> > >
> > > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally
> or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin
> family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
> Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something
> previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know
> others of you would, too.
> > >
> > > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
> > >
> > > Love,
> > > Keely
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:31:27 -0600
> > From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>, viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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> >
> > What would be the point? It was very controversial to bring George
> Zimmerman to trial in the first place. He was acquitted. Not even a hung
> jury. Outright full acquittal.
> >
> > I hate sounding like a broken record but for whatever reason I can't
> seem to get a basic point across that ***we do not have system of mob
> rule***. If we did, Zimmerman would have already been lynched without due
> process long ago. Would that be less of an outrage?
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> > From: siyocreo at live.com
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:18:06 -0700
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Visionaires,
> >
> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally
> or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin
> family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
> Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something
> previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know
> others of you would, too.
> >
> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
> >
> > Love,
> > Keely
> >
> >
> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>, "vision2020 at moscow.com"
> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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> > Keely,
> >
> > Did you look at the evidence?? I don't see how the jury could have done
> any differently.? Zimmerman was using the "self-defense" defense, and there
> was enough evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt (his injuries, the
> witness who saw the guy in the white sweater beating on the guy in the red
> sweater, the inability to determine who was shouting for help).? According
> to Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they fought for it and Zimmerman
> ended up shooting him in the chest.? Since Martin isn't around to give his
> side of events (conveniently, I know) and since there is no evidence to
> disprove this, they pretty much had to acquit.? In my opinion, of course.?
> To prove second degree murder, they would have to disprove the self-defense
> defense and show that he was unhinged enough to take this opportunity to go
> kill Martin.? I haven't seen any evidence of that, either.
> >
> >
> > The media has worked hard to make this about race, but there was no
> indication I saw that Zimmerman was racially motivated.? If anything,
> Martin was the one framing everything by race.? NBC had to resort to
> editing the 9-1-1 tape to make it look like it was racially motivated, but
> the real 9-1-1 tape doesn't appear to show this (at least what I've heard
> of it).?
> >
> >
> > If you want to get out there and protest something, I recommend
> protesting what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in an attempt to ignite
> racial tensions.? Or protest what the NSA has been doing.? Or protest the
> drone strikes or the secret courts or the secret reasoning for gathering
> information on everyone that can't be revealed.? Or protest how the US is
> going after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning house.?
> >
> >
> > Don't be distracted by this media circus.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> > To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:18 AM
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Visionaires,
> >
> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally
> or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin
> family and to express outrage at the verdict.? If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
> Friday at Friendship Square.? Please either inform me of something
> previously planned, or pass this around.? I'd be willing to speak and I
> know others of you would, too.
> >
> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure.? We have to speak out.
> >
> > Love,
> > Keely
> >
> >
> >
> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >
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> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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