[Vision2020] A quick rant about the term "metadata"
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Fri Jul 5 12:40:10 PDT 2013
The Democrat in office has only continued with the programs he reviled as a Senator when the Republicans did them. Hell, if anything, he has increased them.
It's not Republicans vs. Democrats any more, it's Those In Power vs. The Rest of Us.
Paul
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From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A quick rant about the term "metadata"
Two points.
1/ Generating distrust of government is a Republican campaign strategy.
2/ I don't see a see a substantive drop in crime as a result of increased security measures.
The idea that people are by nature evil and will go crazy unless you have prohibitive sanctions seems a little like the idea that increased acceptance of gays and lesbians will lead to an increase in sexual depravity. I'm not sure why people commit crimes but it isn't just because they can; likewise wrt being gay.
On Jul 5, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Dredge
>Obviously it's unwise to trust the government or corporations or unions
or churches or any other hierarchical structure of people where leaders
motivated by their own self-interest have their minions carry out the
dirty work.
>
>I agree that there needs to be oversight to prevent /
prosecute abuses, but there also needs to be some level of
non-disclosure regarding methods of tracking criminal activity otherwise
the criminals will find a way around it. It's not an easy problem to
solve. It's like trying to keep guns out the hands of the crazies
without infringing on the rights of the responsible.
>
>-Scott
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>Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:55:30 -0700
>From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>To: thansen at moscow.com
>CC: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A quick rant about the term "metadata"
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>The more we learn about what the government is doing, the more
reason we find not to trust them. Secret letters to corporations
they can't even talk about forcing them to give us so much data,
secret courts to determine if secret gathering of data is
legitimate. Secret documents describing their secret
justifications for these secret data grabs.
>
>Do you trust our government? Are you OK with the sweeping
gathering of data that we have recently heard about in the news?
>
>Do you trust corporations? Are you OK with them selling our data
to advertisers and who knows who else?
>
>In my opinion, it's better to be distrustful of a group of people
who hide behind secrecy even now than it is to be blissfully
naive.
>
>Paul
>
>On 07/04/2013 07:22 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
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>“To the man who is afraid everything rustles.” - Sophocles
>>
>>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>>
>>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>http://www.MoscowCares.com
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>>Tom Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
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>>
>>"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>>
>>- John Lennon
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>>On Jul 4, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>It does bug me. And it's pointless for them anyway, since I
run AdBlock Plus and NoScript on Firefox and hence never see
the ads anyway. I also mitigate it by popping my email to
my home machine. I'm sure they scan it coming in, but I
doubt they keep a copy of every email that I delete for very
long. It wouldn't make business sense to have to have that
amount of extra storage on hand. I've been aware of these
kinds of things for a long time, and have in the past
brought things like this up on the list. I figure it's not
gotten so bad that I need to go to the trouble of setting up
a mail server and changing every account I've opened on the
net over to it. Not yet, anyway. I'm sure it will get
there someday.
>>>
>>>The fact that corporations do sell my data in certain cases
doesn't mean I approve of it in the slightest.
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>On 07/04/2013 03:12 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
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>>>>Companies having been selling data for eons to anyone willing to pay for it. And lots of times these companies will allow you to pay a premium to keep your data more secure. For instance, for $5 per month, you can get an unlisted Verizon phone number:
>>>>http://hothardware.com/News/Verizon-Claims-5-Monthly-Fee-Necessary-For-Unlisted-Number/
>>>>
>>>>One question I have for you is that since Yahoo a full
month ago started scanning & analyzing emails for ad
targeting, why aren't you bugged by that? Is it because
it's a free service and if you were concerned about them
rooting through your emails, you'd switch and pay for a
premium account that doesn't do that sort of thing?
>>>>
>>>>I'll concede that ad targeting is less disconcerting than
the thought of the big, bad, dangerous almighty government
tracking you and the lines for limiting their power are
(or will be) drawn for them by lawmakers and the
Constitution (or whatever tatters are left of it as Sunil
points out).
>>>>
>>>>-Scott
>>>>
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>>>>________________________________
>>>>Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:33:20 -0700
>>>>From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>>To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A quick rant about the term
"metadata"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's OK if they pay for it, but not if they force them
to give it over? Are you OK with all the companies we
do business with selling all our data to the
government, or do you draw a line somewhere?
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>On 07/04/2013 10:08 AM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The term 'metadata' bugs you. What bugs me is that this 'valuable data' is being sucked
up by the NSA 'wholesale' instead of the telcos charging them a pretty penny for it.
The whole mess seems to be creating a lot of bugging. -Scott Paul wrote: As a computer science guy, this bugs me. I've seen the term "metadata" abused in the news media and online often
in relation to phone data the NSA is sucking up wholesale. "Metadata", as the media is using the term, *is* data. Things like
phone numbers, dates, times, duration of calls, cell phone tower
identifiers, etc *is* data. The term "metadata" has a specific meaning, it's data about data. For
example, metadata on the data that Verizon was forced to give over would
look something like this: Field Data Type Size Comment
Originating Phone Number NUMBER 10
Called Number NUMBER 10
Call Duration NUMBER 4 Length of call in seconds
Date of Call CHAR 10 Date format: MM/DD/YYYY
Time of Call CHAR 12 Time format: HH24:MI:SS.nnn
... And so on. I couldn't care less if they grabbed the metadata from all
the phone carriers. It would be a bunch of database table descriptions. Don't kid yourself, what they grabbed from the telcos was actual data,
and valuable data at that. Paul
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