[Vision2020] Another hate group?
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Tue Jan 22 11:22:55 PST 2013
Well "facts" is the operative word.
Sue H
-----Original Message-----
From: lfalen
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:36 AM
To: kfaunce at roadrunner.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
Well I guess you and Sue can pick what ever facts in history that you want.
Other than (as far as I know) not being drunks, I do not know how Potok and
Dees differ from McCarthy.
Roger
>-----Original Message-----
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>From: kfaunce at roadrunner.com
>To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>Date: 01/22/13 01:39:16
>
>Roger
>
>I am not sure what alternative version of history you are looking at, but
>Joe McCarthy was not 90% right. He lied, used blackmail and intimidated
>people into confessing, many times to things they did not do. He accused
>people and ruined their careers and lives with no proof and none was found
>on many of them. He probably helped the real spies, because everyone was
>focusing on him and his witch hunt. Also, RFK only worked for his
>committee for 6 months because he disagreed with McCarthy's actions.
>McCarthy was friends with Joe Kennedy because they were both
>anti-communist. You need to do a better job at your historical research.
>Joe McCarthy was no hero, but a lying, power grabbing, poor excuse for a
>person, that should make American ashamed. The sad part was that he had a
>severe drinking problem.
>
>Ken Faunce
>
>---- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>> Joe Mccarthy was right over 90% of the time. He did bring to light a lot
>> of communist activity. The daring of liberals( Bobby Kennedy) worked with
>> him as a council on the HUAC. But just like Dees and Potok he was some
>> times wrong. I sitll say that before you believe what Potok or Dees say,
>> check it out with Alan Dershowitz.
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>> >From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>> >To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, lfalen
>> ><lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> >Date: 01/21/13 01:22:02
>> >
>> >Rush Limbaugh apologized! That was no apology, "I sincerely
>> >apologize for
>> >using those words." Cripes. And he missed her point entirely
>> >when he went
>> >on to justify himself. I'm guessing I did see those
>> >"fact" sheets to which
>> >you refer, and also the divorce piece which I quit reading after
>> >questioning
>> >its legitimacy, as well. Even the fellow who posted it said he couldn't
>> >attest to its legitimacy. Then there was this really great white
>> >supremacy
>> >web site that had a lot of stuff. Sorry, I saw nothing I would consider
>> >legitimate. I read somewhere in all this that Glen Beck had some
>> >info...so
>> >I repeat.....
>> >And when did Joe McCarthy ever do any good?
>> >
>> >Sue
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: lfalen
>> >Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:31 PM
>> >To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell
>> >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
>> >Subject: Re[2]: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>> >
>> >Try looking for Morris Dees devorce or Morris Dees fact sheet. You may
>> >discount this sources if you like also. Rush was out of line on Sandra
>> >Fluke
>> >and he apoligized for it. I am not saying Dees did not do some good
>> >things,
>> >only that like Joe McCarthy he has gone overboard.
>> >Roger
>> >
>> >
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>> >>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>> >>To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>,
>> >>lfalen
>> >><lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> >>Date: 01/20/13 05:58:34
>> >>
>> >>Roger,
>> >>
>> >>I looked and can't find anything that records a charge against Dees for
>> >>either incest or child abuse. There's a lot of extremist web talking
>> >>about
>> >>the subject of Dees which hammers at him for his ties to Jews, and the
>> >>other
>> >>behavior, but I can't find anything really convincing. I would assume
>> >>hate
>> >>groups would libel and slander him, but where are the believable
>> >>sources?
>> >>I
>> >>didn't find any, and did find a statement the SPLC continues to battle
>> >>those
>> >>groups for their words against him: liar, public sex offender, abuser,
>> >>incestuous, arrogant, etc. I only worked with Dees in groups, so I
>> >>can't
>> >>say we have ever had any personal conversations, but I have never even
>> >>found
>> >>him to be arrogant, and certainly nothing I ever saw of him would lead
>> >>me
>> >>to
>> >>believe any of the other accusations.
>> >>
>> >>If for no other reason, Idaho citizens owe him and the SPLC a great
>> >>debt
>> >>for
>> >>finally getting Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations.
>> >>
>> >>I'm thinking the sources tying Dees is to child abuse are as
>> >>legitimate as
>> >>Limbaugh tying Sandra Fluke is to prostitution...
>> >>
>> >>Sue H
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: lfalen
>> >>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:09 AM
>> >>To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell
>> >>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
>> >>Subject: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>> >>
>> >>The SPLC has done some good work in regard to groups like the KKK.
>> >>Morris
>> >>Dees has gone overboard in in labeling groups like the League of the
>> >>South
>> >>as a hate group. They have members from all races. As to his
>> >>character, he
>> >>has been charges with incest and child abuse. Mark Potok has lableled
>> >>most
>> >>patriot groups as hate groups, Rush Limbaugh in particular. Note I am
>> >>not a
>> >>big fan of Rush's . On the aniversary of the Spanish Civil War he gave
>> >>a
>> >>glowing report on the Abraham Lincoln Brigade with out mention ing that
>> >>it
>> >>was a communist front group.
>> >>Again the SPLC has done some good, but these two go overboard. For
>> >>those
>> >>that condemn Joe McCarthy for going overboard, they should do the same
>> >>for
>> >>these two.
>> >>Roger
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>> >>>From: &quot;Sue Hovey&quot; <suehovey at moscow.com>
>> >>>To: &quot;Joe Campbell&quot;
>> >>><philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, lfalen
>> >>><lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> >>>Date: 01/17/13 08:56:34
>> >>>
>> >>>An example of blasting everyone on the right?
>> >>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>From: lfalen
>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:15 AM
>> >>>To: Joe Campbell
>> >>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>> >>>
>> >>>The Southern Poverty Law center is a mixed bag. They do do some good
>> >>>work.
>> >>>Mark Potok and Morris Dees tend to take the shot gun approch and blast
>> >>>every
>> >>>one on the right. Alan Dershowitz is much more careful.
>> >>>Roger
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>> >>>From: &amp;quot;Joe Campbell&amp;quot;
>> >>>To: lfalen
>> >>>Date: 01/16/13 20:22:48
>> >>>
>> >>>What is wrong with the Southern Poverty Law Center? Didn't they chase
>> >>>away
>> >>>the Neo-Nazis up north? Joe
>> >>>
>> >>>On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>> >>>I would also like to thank Saundra for her research. I would hope that
>> >>>this
>> >>>group never gets off the ground, we do not need them in this area.
>> >>>However
>> >>>any group should have the right to build and live in any voluntary
>> >>>manner
>> >>>the chose. I would never want to live in one, but I would also support
>> >>>the
>> >>>right of the Hutterites to build a commune here. As for the Sounthern
>> >>>Poverty Law Center, I have a fair amount of respect for Alan
>> >>>Dershowitz,
>> >>>not
>> >>>so much for Mark Potok,.
>> >>>Roger
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>Subject: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>> >>>From: rhayes at frontier.com
>> >>>To: &amp;quot;Saundra Lund&amp;quot;
>> >>>Date: 01/16/13 19:43:40
>> >>>
>> >>>Very good research &amp;quot;Saundra.Below is the quote and
>> >>>below that is
>> >>>the
>> >>>link
>> >>>you asked for.While they don't yet seem to espouse the typical hate
>> >>>rhetoric, I don't think they will be fun neighbors if the dubious
>> >>>plan
>> >>>goes
>> >>>forward. Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law
>> >>>Center,
>> >>>said he doubts the group is any bigger than one or two individuals
>> >>>looking
>> >>>to win a following. He called it nothing more than an idle
>> >>>fantasy.&amp;quot;We
>> >>>don't
>> >>>know who's behind it, but the claim that there are several hundred
>> >>>people
>> >>>involved is patently ludicrous,&amp;quot; Potok said.
>> >>>&amp;quot;We're
>> >>>likely
>> >>>talking about a
>> >>>man, a dog and his computer envisioning this whole imaginary city. We
>> >>>don't
>> >>>take it that seriously.&amp;quot;
>> >>>
>> >>>Read more:
>> >>>http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/patriot-group-looks-to-create-armed-community-in-idaho-montana/article_3f4368e3-407c-590e-9263-594456826987.html#ixzz2IAHyZvCs
>> >>> From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
>> >>>To: 'Sunil Ramalingam' <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>;
>> >>>keim153 at gmail.com
>> >>>Cc: 'vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>; rhayes at frontier.com
>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 AM
>> >>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Another hate group
>> >>>
>> >>>At the risk of Paul again confusing discussion with hate . . . Roger
>> >>>(Falen)
>> >>>wrote:&amp;quot;I do not know anything about this group, but
>> >>>how does
>> >>>anyone
>> >>>know
>> >>>that they are a hate group? A little bit wako probably, but not
>> >>>necessarily
>> >>>a hate group.&amp;quot; I think the question is a good one,
>> >>>and I don't
>> >>>think
>> >>>we
>> >>>know the answer to it. After all, hate groups rarely (if ever)
>> >>>consider
>> >>>themselves to be hate groups, you know J And, what they say for
>> >>>public
>> >>>consumption is often quite different than what they say amongst the
>> >>>inner
>> >>>circle. To back up a bit, I can't find anything where the SPLC has
>> >>>looked
>> >>>at the Citadel and its separate but integral III Arms - Roger (Hayes),
>> >>>can
>> >>>you provide a link? The group clearly considers itself to be part of
>> >>>the
>> >>>&amp;quot;Patriot&amp;quot; movement &amp;amp;
>> >>>reveres John Wesley, Rawls
>> >>>(yawn, one of
>> >>>those highly
>> >>>paid anti-government doomsday/prepper/survivalist types) and his
>> >>>&amp;quot;American Redoubt.&amp;quot; Rawls, however,
>> >>>has recently
>> >>>disavowed any
>> >>>connection
>> >>>to III Citadel, which I found hilarious, while failing to distance
>> >>>himself
>> >>>from the weapons manufacture of III Arms Company, which is how this
>> >>>group
>> >>>expects to fund the III Citadel. They've supposedly purchased 20
>> >>>acres
>> >>>(so
>> >>>far) in the St. Maries area &amp;amp; plan on starting to
>> >>>build the III
>> >>>Arms
>> >>>factory
>> >>>(the first phase) there in early-to-mid year. At this point, I think
>> >>>their
>> >>>weapons are still being custom-manufactured in WV . . . if they are
>> >>>actually
>> >>>being made at all. And, in my book, the interesting thing about the
>> >>>III
>> >>>Citadel is the III Arms Company - lots of right-wing extremists have
>> >>>attempted to establish insular communities, but they typically fail,
>> >>>is
>> >>>seems to me, because of the finances (as well as in-fighting, not to
>> >>>mention
>> >>>not being able to play well with others, something the III Citadel/III
>> >>>Arms
>> >>>Company hasn't avoided). III Arms Company is an attempt (or perhaps a
>> >>>scam)
>> >>>to provide funding to make the III Citadel a reality (or a more
>> >>>profitable
>> >>>scam). The whole thing makes me think of a bunch of silly role-playing
>> >>>teenagers enamored with their interpretation of the Second Amendment
>> >>>trying
>> >>>to form a doomsday utopia as an excuse for their hoarding tendencies
>> >>>&amp;amp;
>> >>>expensive deadly toys. However, I find the psychology very
>> >>>interesting!
>> >>>In
>> >>>tough economic times, it's fascinating to me that anyone would turn
>> >>>over
>> >>>$208 to &amp;quot;apply&amp;quot; to lease a
>> >>>&amp;quot;home&amp;quot; in a
>> >>>walled community
>> >>>that probably won't
>> >>>exist anytime soon. They estimate that the cost of that silly wall
>> >>>alone
>> >>>will cost in the neighborhood of $25 million. An examination of the
>> >>>stated
>> >>>goals of the III Citadel community and associated costs aren't
>> >>>realistic,
>> >>>financially or otherwise. Reading the blogs of those involved
>> >>>shows -at
>> >>>best - a stunning ignorance of basics like sustainability, economics,
>> >>>legal
>> >>>principles, weather in Benewah County, growing seasons, roads,
>> >>>accessibility, etc. But . . . it gets even better J III Arms claims
>> >>>that
>> >>>it's a non-profit! I kid you not J
>> >>>http://iiiarms.blogspot.com/2012/11/black-rifle-friday.html
>> >>>&amp;quot;And
>> >>>remember,
>> >>>III Arms is not a for-profit company. All proceeds go to the Citadel
>> >>>Project, to help build a bastion of Liberty for us
>> >>>all.&amp;quot;
>> >>>ROTFLOF!!!
>> >>>But,
>> >>>wait: it gets even better J Has anyone besides me wondered why the
>> >>>III
>> >>>Citadel is collecting money but doesn't have a spokesperson? Curious,
>> >>>don't
>> >>>you think? Well, perhaps it's because the person behind the
>> >>>&amp;quot;firearms
>> >>>arms
>> >>>required&amp;quot; III Citadel and initially behind III Arms
>> >>>Co. is a
>> >>>federally
>> >>>convicted felon who apparently isn't even able to legally own a
>> >>>firearm J
>> >>>I kid you not! I've been trying
>> >>>to track down rumors &amp;amp; facts for a couple of weeks now
>> >>>since Tom
>> >>>first
>> >>>posted, and the earliest references I've been able to find originated
>> >>>with
>> >>>a
>> >>>man apparently named Christian or Chris Kerodin, which may or may not
>> >>>be
>> >>>his
>> >>>real name since he's a dude with a lot of apparent aliases, scams, and
>> >>>blogs. But, in reading his blogs, he definitely seems to be this
>> >>>guy:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/26/20040326-124129-2670r/print/An
>> >>>Alexandria, Va., man was sentenced yesterday in federal court to 30
>> >>>months
>> >>>in prison and fined $6,000 after he pleaded guilty in January to
>> >>>charges
>> >>>of
>> >>>extortion and possessing an unregistered short-barreled rifle.U.S.
>> >>>Attorney
>> >>>Paul J. McNulty in Alexandria said Christian Kerodin, 36, was
>> >>>sentenced by
>> >>>U.S. District Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, who also ordered that the prison
>> >>>term
>> >>>be followed by three years of supervised release.Mr. McNulty said
>> >>>Kerodin
>> >>>published a report on the Internet in May titled
>> >>>&amp;quot;Terrorist
>> >>>Target
>> >>>List:
>> >>>American Retailers &amp;amp; Restaurants,&amp;quot;
>> >>>which said shopping
>> >>>venues were
>> >>>likely to
>> >>>be prime targets for terrorist attacks and billed himself as a
>> >>>security
>> >>>expert.A month later, he said, Kerodin contacted officials at the
>> >>>Fashion
>> >>>Centre at Pentagon City, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria, saying
>> >>>that a
>> >>>new edition of his Internet report was due shortly and that if they
>> >>>contracted with him for security assessments, he would not include
>> >>>their
>> >>>names in the new report as needing security upgrades.The Fashion
>> >>>Centre is
>> >>>owned by the Simon Property Group, and Landmark and Tysons Galleria
>> >>>are
>> >>>owned by General Growth Properties Inc.Mr. McNulty said mall officials
>> >>>asked
>> >>>Kerodin to provide the names of other clients for references or to
>> >>>supply
>> >>>credentials for persons who worked for his company. He refused, saying
>> >>>he
>> >>>did not need
>> >>>experience to be an expert in counterterrorism. None of the malls
>> >>>hired
>> >>>him.In July, Kerodin published the report, which criticized several
>> >>>area
>> >>>shopping malls for being vulnerable to terrorist attacks, specifically
>> >>>criticizing the Fashion Centre, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria. Mr.
>> >>>McNulty said Kerodin recontacted officials at Simon and General Growth
>> >>>by
>> >>>letter and threatened to release similarly negative reports on 14
>> >>>other
>> >>>properties that the companies owned.An agent from the Department of
>> >>>Homeland
>> >>>Security posing as a mall executive then contacted Kerodin, telling
>> >>>him
>> >>>the
>> >>>malls had hired another security company and asking that they not be
>> >>>included in additional reports. The agent also offered Kerodin $40,000
>> >>>to
>> >>>be
>> >>>left out of any new reports.Mr. McNulty said Kerodin rejected the
>> >>>offer
>> >>>and
>> >>>demanded $122,500. He then was arrested.&amp;quot;This
>> >>>defendant took
>> >>>advantage
>> >>>of
>> >>>the heightened
>> >>>concern we all have to protect ourselves from terrorism. It is
>> >>>reprehensible
>> >>>that someone would exploit that concern for personal
>> >>>gain,&amp;quot; Mr.
>> >>>McNulty
>> >>>said.Huh. I guess their definition of
>> >>>&amp;quot;law-abiding&amp;quot; is
>> >>>quite a
>> >>>bit
>> >>>different than is mine. And, I feel soooo much better (not!) that
>> >>>it's
>> >>>his
>> >>>wife Holly, rather than convicted felon Christian Kerodin himself, who
>> >>>is
>> >>>listed with the Idaho Secretary of State as a &amp;quot;member
>> >>>or
>> >>>manager&amp;quot;
>> >>>of III
>> >>>Arms Company,
>> >>>LLC:http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/W116214.html
>> >>>I
>> >>>highly recommend checking out (one of) Kerodin's blogs. Here's a
>> >>>sample:http://iiipercent.blogspot.com/2013/01/in-absence-of-orders-go-find-something.html
>> >>>In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.I
>> >>>borrowed
>> >>>the
>> >>>title from WRSA.
>> >>>
>> >>>I think you will see this phrase again on this blog.
>> >>>
>> >>>If we are Citizen Soldiers, a Leaderless entity, or small groups of
>> >>>Patriots
>> >>>who have installed a command structure among themselves, but otherwise
>> >>>answer to no central command, then it is incumbant upon each of us to
>> >>>shoulder our portion of the burden and act independantly.
>> >>>
>> >>>In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.
>> >>>
>> >>>You'll know when. You already know who. You should know where they are
>> >>>in
>> >>>your AO.
>> >>>
>> >>>You know what is Evil.
>> >>>
>> >>>You know what it is going to take to backfist the Tyrants out of our
>> >>>lives
>> >>>for the next few generations. Fight to the knife, and knife to the
>> >>>hilt...
>> >>>
>> >>>Standing Orders: In the absence of orders, go find something evil and
>> >>>kill
>> >>>it.
>> >>>
>> >>>Kerodin
>> >>>III Wow - that's just the kind of dude I want as an Idahoan!!! Is
>> >>>that,
>> >>>and
>> >>>a lot of other vitriol he's written,
>> >>>&amp;quot;hate&amp;quot;? Rather than
>> >>>recount
>> >>>a lot of
>> >>>details, an article providing lots of interesting background was just
>> >>>published:http://politicker.com/2013/01/meet-the-men-who-want-to-build-an-armed-castle-commune-for-patriots/James
>> >>>L. Miller is many things, a motorcycle enthusiast, accused online
>> >>>scammer,
>> >>>doomsday prepper, gunmaker and cat lover. Christian Kerodin also wears
>> >>>a
>> >>>number of hats; he is an air conditioning repairman, blogger, author,
>> >>>self-styled security consultant and convicted extortionist. Both men
>> >>>also
>> >>>seem to be the masterminds behind a plan to build a massive, armed
>> >>>survivalist compound in Idaho that has been making national
>> >>>headlines.According to the website of the Citadel, it will be a
>> >>>&amp;quot;community
>> >>>of 3,500 - 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who voluntarily
>> >>>choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of
>> >>>Rightful Liberty&amp;quot; and is being planned for Northern
>> >>>Idaho. Among
>> >>>other
>> >>>things, the designs for the Citadel include a
>> >>>&amp;quot;perimeter
>> >>>defense&amp;quot;
>> >>>with
>> >>>castle-style fortified walls and towers, an on-site gun factory,
>> >>>hotels,
>> >>>schools, a &amp;quot;firearms museum,&amp;quot; a
>> >>>&amp;quot;town
>> >>>militia,&amp;quot; jail
>> >>>and farmer's market. As
>> >>>of now, the community is planned for Benewah County in Northern Idaho.
>> >>>Prospective residents of the Citadel are asked to submit to an
>> >>>application
>> >>>process that includes agreeing to participate in the militia and pass
>> >>>periodic proficiency tests with multiple types of
>> >>>firearms.&amp;quot;Marxists,
>> >>>Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find
>> >>>that
>> >>>life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and
>> >>>preferred lifestyles,&amp;quot; the website says.Though the
>> >>>Citadel
>> >>>website
>> >>>claims
>> >>>the group has no &amp;quot;leader&amp;quot; and is
>> >>>the work of &amp;quot;scores of Liberty-loving
>> >>>individuals,&amp;quot; it
>> >>>appears
>> >>>Mr. Miller
>> >>>and Mr. Kerodin are two of the main forces behind the project. The
>> >>>roman
>> >>>numeral in the community's name seems to be derived from
>> >>>&amp;quot;III
>> >>>Percent
>> >>>Patriots,&amp;quot; a blog operated by Mr. Kerodin where the
>> >>>early
>> >>>discussions
>> >>>were
>> >>>held planning the Citadel's design and potential locations. An entry
>> >>>on
>> >>>Mr.
>> >>>Kerodin's personal website describes the meaning of the term
>> >>>&amp;quot;III
>> >>>Percent
>> >>>Patriots.&amp;quot;&amp;quot;Historians consider that
>> >>>about 3 percent of
>> >>>Americans
>> >>>took arms
>> >>>and challenged the King during the Revolution. 3 percent. III Percent.
>> >>>Threepers. Patriots. We exist today,&amp;quot; Mr. Kerodin
>> >>>wrote.
>> >>>&amp;quot;We are
>> >>>that
>> >>>percentage of Americans who have the tools and mettle of the
>> >>>Militiaman
>> >>>who
>> >>>stand and have drawn a hard line for the Hard Right of the political
>> >>>spectrum.&amp;quot;Along with his political activities, Mr.
>> >>>Kerodin has
>> >>>also
>> >>>worked
>> >>>as a repairman for
>> >>>heating and air conditioning systems. In 2002, Mr. Kerodin started a
>> >>>security consultancy. The following year, he printed an eight-page
>> >>>analysis
>> >>>of terrorism weaknesses at shopping malls in the Washington D.C. area.
>> >>>According to reports from the time, he subsequently contacted mall
>> >>>operators
>> >>>in the area and told them they would be included in other similar
>> >>>analyses
>> >>>if they did not hire him to conduct security assessments. A concerned
>> >>>company contacted the Secret Service who had an undercover agent
>> >>>contact
>> >>>Mr.
>> >>>Kerodin who allegedly agreed to keep the business out of his reports
>> >>>after
>> >>>accepting a $120,000 check. He was arrested and indicted for an
>> >>>extortion
>> >>>charge to which he plead guilty. Mr. Kerodin was sentenced to 30
>> >>>months in
>> >>>prison for the crime and an associated firearms charge. As a federal
>> >>>felon,
>> >>>Mr. Kerodin cannot own a weapon, but on his website, he says he is
>> >>>&amp;quot;exploring&amp;quot; legal
>> >>>avenues to &amp;quot;recover&amp;quot; his
>> >>>&amp;quot;firearms
>> >>>rights.&amp;quot;In one of
>> >>>the Citadel planning
>> >>>posts on Mr. Kerodin's blogs, a commenter using an online alias linked
>> >>>to
>> >>>Mr. Miller, &amp;quot;Millerized,&amp;quot; offers to
>> >>>bring his
>> >>>&amp;quot;firearm
>> >>>smithing&amp;quot; skills to
>> >>>the community. &amp;quot;Millerized,&amp;quot; is also
>> >>>one of the authors
>> >>>of the
>> >>>Citadel blog.
>> >>>In addition to being his online alias,
>> >>>&amp;quot;Millerized&amp;quot; was
>> >>>also the
>> >>>name of a
>> >>>company previously by Mr. Miller that originally made motorcycle
>> >>>parts.
>> >>>Last
>> >>>October, Millerized began doing business as &amp;quot;III
>> >>>Arms.&amp;quot;
>> >>>The III
>> >>>Arms website
>> >>>describes it as a firearms company &amp;quot;dedicated to
>> >>>building
>> >>>first-class
>> >>>fighting arms for the defense of Jefferson's Rightful
>> >>>Liberty.&amp;quot;
>> >>>III
>> >>>Arms
>> >>>will have a factory inside the Citadel's walls that is planned to be
>> >>>the
>> >>>prime source of revenue and employment for the project's early
>> >>>residents.
>> >>>Mr. Miller is identified on LinkedIn as the
>> >>>&amp;quot;president&amp;quot;
>> >>>of III
>> >>>Arms.In
>> >>>addition
>> >>>to Mr. Miller's business activities, he has an extensive digital trail
>> >>>that
>> >>>includes &amp;quot;Millerized's&amp;quot;
>> >>>participation in sites for
>> >>>self-described
>> >>>doomsday
>> >>>&amp;quot;preppers&amp;quot; and survivalists. On one
>> >>>of these forums,
>> >>>Millerized
>> >>>describes
>> >>>work done in his house where he has multiple cats. A web page tied to
>> >>>Mr.
>> >>>Miller's name and address is also identified as having participated in
>> >>>so-called &amp;quot;phishing&amp;quot; scams on a site
>> >>>dedicated to
>> >>>identifying
>> >>>these
>> >>>fraudulent attempts to obtain personal information.As of this writing,
>> >>>neither Mr. Miller or Mr. Kerodin have responded to multiple requests
>> >>>for
>> >>>comment on this story. However, Mr. Miller seems to be enjoying the
>> >>>attention the Citadel has recently received. A Facebook page that
>> >>>seems to
>> >>>belong to Mr. Miller features pictures of customized military fatigues
>> >>>with
>> >>>the III Arms logo and the words
>> >>>&amp;quot;Millerized&amp;quot; and
>> >>>&amp;quot;Patriot.&amp;quot; It also includes
>> >>>a picture of one of
>> >>>the Citadel's more prominent media mentions, a headline about the
>> >>>community
>> >>>on the Drudge Report accompanied by the following caption from Mr.
>> >>>Miller:&amp;quot;We are now huge.&amp;quot;For those
>> >>>interested in
>> >>>learning more,
>> >>>remember
>> >>>Google is your friend, but be prepared to shower frequently. What's
>> >>>that
>> >>>saying? Oh, yeah, &amp;quot;A fool and his money are soon
>> >>>parted.&amp;quot;
>> >>>Personally, I
>> >>>prefer to take the &amp;quot;scam&amp;quot;
>> >>>perspective because the
>> >>>alternative is
>> >>>enough to
>> >>>chill the bones of any person with connected brain cells. Saundra
>> >>>LundMoscow, ID To sin by silence when they should protest makes
>> >>>cowards
>> >>>out
>> >>>of men.~ Abraham Lincoln From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> >>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
>> >>>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:50 PM
>> >>>To: keim153 at gmail.com
>> >>>Cc: vision 2020; rhayes at frontier.com
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group Darrell,
>> >>>
>> >>>I agree, though I have to add that someone posted about them last
>> >>>month; I
>> >>>think it was Tom.
>> >>>
>> >>>SunilDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:28:26 -0800
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
>> >>>From: keim153 at gmail.com
>> >>>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>> >>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>I am the original poster of this topic. I never called it a hate
>> >>>group.
>> >>>I
>> >>>called them survivalists. I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to
>> >>>a
>> >>>hate
>> >>>tagline. What say you, Roger?On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil
>> >>>Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:I'm with Roger on this.
>> >>>Maybe
>> >>>they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know that they're a hate group.
>> >>>
>> >>>What is the evidence behind that claim?
>> >>>
>> >>>SunilDate: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100
>> >>>To: thansen at moscow.com; keim153 at gmail.com
>> >>>From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>> >>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate groupI do not know anything
>> >>>about
>> >>>this group, but how does anyone know that they are a hate group? A
>> >>>little
>> >>>bit wako probably, but not necessarily a hate group.Roger
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
>> >>>From: &amp;quot;Tom Hansen&amp;quot;
>> >>>To: &amp;quot;Darrell Keim&amp;quot;
>> >>>Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16How's this for
>> >>>&amp;quot;freedom&amp;quot;&amp;quot; My
>> >>>father
>> >>>was a POW in
>> >>>Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of WW2. I am
>> >>>convinced
>> >>>that he experienced less isolation than the freedom-loving residents
>> >>>of
>> >>>the
>> >>>Citadel.Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>> >>>&amp;quot;Moscow
>> >>>Cares&amp;quot;http://www.moscowcares.com/ Tom HansenMoscow,
>> >>>Idaho
>> >>>&amp;quot;There's room at
>> >>>the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to
>> >>>smile
>> >>>as you kill
>> >>>If you want to be like the folks on the hill.&amp;quot; -
>> >>>John Lennon
>> >>>On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>Goodie. So it will be like Bo Gritz &amp;quot;Almost
>> >>>Heaven&amp;quot;
>> >>>near Kamiah.
>> >>>Wonderful.On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, rhayes at frontier.com
>> >>><rhayes at frontier.com> wrote: The Southern Poverty Law Center has
>> >>>dismissed
>> >>>this &amp;quot;group&amp;quot; as a couple of guys
>> >>>with a computer who are
>> >>>trying
>> >>>to drum up a
>> >>>following and bilk those who take the bait of cash.
>> >>>
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