[Vision2020] Another hate group?
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Mon Jan 21 11:55:03 PST 2013
Correction, Bobby Kennedy was an Assistant Counsel to McCarthy.
Roger
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>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>Date: 01/21/13 19:30:56
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>Joe Mccarthy was right over 90% of the time. He did bring to light a lot of communist activity. The daring of liberals( Bobby Kennedy) worked with him as a council on the HUAC. But just like Dees and Potok he was some times wrong. I sitll say that before you believe what Potok or Dees say, check it out with Alan Dershowitz.
>Roger
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>>Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>>To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>Date: 01/21/13 01:22:02
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>>Rush Limbaugh apologized! That was no apology, "I sincerely apologize for
>>using those words." Cripes. And he missed her point entirely when he went
>>on to justify himself. I'm guessing I did see those "fact" sheets to which
>>you refer, and also the divorce piece which I quit reading after questioning
>>its legitimacy, as well. Even the fellow who posted it said he couldn't
>>attest to its legitimacy. Then there was this really great white supremacy
>>web site that had a lot of stuff. Sorry, I saw nothing I would consider
>>legitimate. I read somewhere in all this that Glen Beck had some info...so
>>I repeat.....
>>And when did Joe McCarthy ever do any good?
>>
>>Sue
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: lfalen
>>Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:31 PM
>>To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell
>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
>>Subject: Re[2]: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
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>>Try looking for Morris Dees devorce or Morris Dees fact sheet. You may
>>discount this sources if you like also. Rush was out of line on Sandra Fluke
>>and he apoligized for it. I am not saying Dees did not do some good things,
>>only that like Joe McCarthy he has gone overboard.
>>Roger
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>>>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>>>From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
>>>To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, lfalen
>>><lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>>Date: 01/20/13 05:58:34
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>>>Roger,
>>>
>>>I looked and can't find anything that records a charge against Dees for
>>>either incest or child abuse. There's a lot of extremist web talking about
>>>the subject of Dees which hammers at him for his ties to Jews, and the
>>>other
>>>behavior, but I can't find anything really convincing. I would assume hate
>>>groups would libel and slander him, but where are the believable sources?
>>>I
>>>didn't find any, and did find a statement the SPLC continues to battle
>>>those
>>>groups for their words against him: liar, public sex offender, abuser,
>>>incestuous, arrogant, etc. I only worked with Dees in groups, so I can't
>>>say we have ever had any personal conversations, but I have never even
>>>found
>>>him to be arrogant, and certainly nothing I ever saw of him would lead me
>>>to
>>>believe any of the other accusations.
>>>
>>>If for no other reason, Idaho citizens owe him and the SPLC a great debt
>>>for
>>>finally getting Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations.
>>>
>>>I'm thinking the sources tying Dees is to child abuse are as legitimate as
>>>Limbaugh tying Sandra Fluke is to prostitution...
>>>
>>>Sue H
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: lfalen
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:09 AM
>>>To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell
>>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
>>>Subject: Re[2]: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>>>
>>>The SPLC has done some good work in regard to groups like the KKK. Morris
>>>Dees has gone overboard in in labeling groups like the League of the South
>>>as a hate group. They have members from all races. As to his character, he
>>>has been charges with incest and child abuse. Mark Potok has lableled most
>>>patriot groups as hate groups, Rush Limbaugh in particular. Note I am not a
>>>big fan of Rush's . On the aniversary of the Spanish Civil War he gave a
>>>glowing report on the Abraham Lincoln Brigade with out mention ing that it
>>>was a communist front group.
>>>Again the SPLC has done some good, but these two go overboard. For those
>>>that condemn Joe McCarthy for going overboard, they should do the same for
>>>these two.
>>>Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>>>>From: &quot;Sue Hovey&quot; <suehovey at moscow.com>
>>>>To: &quot;Joe Campbell&quot; <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, lfalen
>>>><lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>>>Date: 01/17/13 08:56:34
>>>>
>>>>An example of blasting everyone on the right?
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: lfalen
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:15 AM
>>>>To: Joe Campbell
>>>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; rhayes at frontier.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>>>>
>>>>The Southern Poverty Law center is a mixed bag. They do do some good work.
>>>>Mark Potok and Morris Dees tend to take the shot gun approch and blast
>>>>every
>>>>one on the right. Alan Dershowitz is much more careful.
>>>>Roger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>>>>From: &amp;quot;Joe Campbell&amp;quot;
>>>>To: lfalen
>>>>Date: 01/16/13 20:22:48
>>>>
>>>>What is wrong with the Southern Poverty Law Center? Didn't they chase away
>>>>the Neo-Nazis up north? Joe
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>I would also like to thank Saundra for her research. I would hope that
>>>>this
>>>>group never gets off the ground, we do not need them in this area. However
>>>>any group should have the right to build and live in any voluntary manner
>>>>the chose. I would never want to live in one, but I would also support the
>>>>right of the Hutterites to build a commune here. As for the Sounthern
>>>>Poverty Law Center, I have a fair amount of respect for Alan Dershowitz,
>>>>not
>>>>so much for Mark Potok,.
>>>>Roger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Another hate group?
>>>>From: rhayes at frontier.com
>>>>To: &amp;quot;Saundra Lund&amp;quot;
>>>>Date: 01/16/13 19:43:40
>>>>
>>>>Very good research &amp;quot;Saundra.Below is the quote and below that is
>>>>the
>>>>link
>>>>you asked for.While they don't yet seem to espouse the typical hate
>>>>rhetoric, I don't think they will be fun neighbors if the dubious plan
>>>>goes
>>>>forward. Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center,
>>>>said he doubts the group is any bigger than one or two individuals looking
>>>>to win a following. He called it nothing more than an idle
>>>>fantasy.&amp;quot;We
>>>>don't
>>>>know who's behind it, but the claim that there are several hundred people
>>>>involved is patently ludicrous,&amp;quot; Potok said. &amp;quot;We're
>>>>likely
>>>>talking about a
>>>>man, a dog and his computer envisioning this whole imaginary city. We
>>>>don't
>>>>take it that seriously.&amp;quot;
>>>>
>>>>Read more:
>>>>http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/patriot-group-looks-to-create-armed-community-in-idaho-montana/article_3f4368e3-407c-590e-9263-594456826987.html#ixzz2IAHyZvCs
>>>> From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
>>>>To: 'Sunil Ramalingam' <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>; keim153 at gmail.com
>>>>Cc: 'vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>; rhayes at frontier.com
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:52 AM
>>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Another hate group
>>>>
>>>>At the risk of Paul again confusing discussion with hate . . . Roger
>>>>(Falen)
>>>>wrote:&amp;quot;I do not know anything about this group, but how does
>>>>anyone
>>>>know
>>>>that they are a hate group? A little bit wako probably, but not
>>>>necessarily
>>>>a hate group.&amp;quot; I think the question is a good one, and I don't
>>>>think
>>>>we
>>>>know the answer to it. After all, hate groups rarely (if ever) consider
>>>>themselves to be hate groups, you know J And, what they say for public
>>>>consumption is often quite different than what they say amongst the inner
>>>>circle. To back up a bit, I can't find anything where the SPLC has looked
>>>>at the Citadel and its separate but integral III Arms - Roger (Hayes), can
>>>>you provide a link? The group clearly considers itself to be part of the
>>>>&amp;quot;Patriot&amp;quot; movement &amp;amp; reveres John Wesley, Rawls
>>>>(yawn, one of
>>>>those highly
>>>>paid anti-government doomsday/prepper/survivalist types) and his
>>>>&amp;quot;American Redoubt.&amp;quot; Rawls, however, has recently
>>>>disavowed any
>>>>connection
>>>>to III Citadel, which I found hilarious, while failing to distance himself
>>>>from the weapons manufacture of III Arms Company, which is how this group
>>>>expects to fund the III Citadel. They've supposedly purchased 20 acres
>>>>(so
>>>>far) in the St. Maries area &amp;amp; plan on starting to build the III
>>>>Arms
>>>>factory
>>>>(the first phase) there in early-to-mid year. At this point, I think
>>>>their
>>>>weapons are still being custom-manufactured in WV . . . if they are
>>>>actually
>>>>being made at all. And, in my book, the interesting thing about the III
>>>>Citadel is the III Arms Company - lots of right-wing extremists have
>>>>attempted to establish insular communities, but they typically fail, is
>>>>seems to me, because of the finances (as well as in-fighting, not to
>>>>mention
>>>>not being able to play well with others, something the III Citadel/III
>>>>Arms
>>>>Company hasn't avoided). III Arms Company is an attempt (or perhaps a
>>>>scam)
>>>>to provide funding to make the III Citadel a reality (or a more profitable
>>>>scam). The whole thing makes me think of a bunch of silly role-playing
>>>>teenagers enamored with their interpretation of the Second Amendment
>>>>trying
>>>>to form a doomsday utopia as an excuse for their hoarding tendencies
>>>>&amp;amp;
>>>>expensive deadly toys. However, I find the psychology very interesting!
>>>>In
>>>>tough economic times, it's fascinating to me that anyone would turn over
>>>>$208 to &amp;quot;apply&amp;quot; to lease a &amp;quot;home&amp;quot; in a
>>>>walled community
>>>>that probably won't
>>>>exist anytime soon. They estimate that the cost of that silly wall alone
>>>>will cost in the neighborhood of $25 million. An examination of the
>>>>stated
>>>>goals of the III Citadel community and associated costs aren't realistic,
>>>>financially or otherwise. Reading the blogs of those involved shows -at
>>>>best - a stunning ignorance of basics like sustainability, economics,
>>>>legal
>>>>principles, weather in Benewah County, growing seasons, roads,
>>>>accessibility, etc. But . . . it gets even better J III Arms claims
>>>>that
>>>>it's a non-profit! I kid you not J
>>>>http://iiiarms.blogspot.com/2012/11/black-rifle-friday.html &amp;quot;And
>>>>remember,
>>>>III Arms is not a for-profit company. All proceeds go to the Citadel
>>>>Project, to help build a bastion of Liberty for us all.&amp;quot;
>>>>ROTFLOF!!!
>>>>But,
>>>>wait: it gets even better J Has anyone besides me wondered why the III
>>>>Citadel is collecting money but doesn't have a spokesperson? Curious,
>>>>don't
>>>>you think? Well, perhaps it's because the person behind the
>>>>&amp;quot;firearms
>>>>arms
>>>>required&amp;quot; III Citadel and initially behind III Arms Co. is a
>>>>federally
>>>>convicted felon who apparently isn't even able to legally own a firearm J
>>>>I kid you not! I've been trying
>>>>to track down rumors &amp;amp; facts for a couple of weeks now since Tom
>>>>first
>>>>posted, and the earliest references I've been able to find originated with
>>>>a
>>>>man apparently named Christian or Chris Kerodin, which may or may not be
>>>>his
>>>>real name since he's a dude with a lot of apparent aliases, scams, and
>>>>blogs. But, in reading his blogs, he definitely seems to be this
>>>>guy:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/mar/26/20040326-124129-2670r/print/An
>>>>Alexandria, Va., man was sentenced yesterday in federal court to 30 months
>>>>in prison and fined $6,000 after he pleaded guilty in January to charges
>>>>of
>>>>extortion and possessing an unregistered short-barreled rifle.U.S.
>>>>Attorney
>>>>Paul J. McNulty in Alexandria said Christian Kerodin, 36, was sentenced by
>>>>U.S. District Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, who also ordered that the prison
>>>>term
>>>>be followed by three years of supervised release.Mr. McNulty said Kerodin
>>>>published a report on the Internet in May titled &amp;quot;Terrorist
>>>>Target
>>>>List:
>>>>American Retailers &amp;amp; Restaurants,&amp;quot; which said shopping
>>>>venues were
>>>>likely to
>>>>be prime targets for terrorist attacks and billed himself as a security
>>>>expert.A month later, he said, Kerodin contacted officials at the Fashion
>>>>Centre at Pentagon City, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria, saying that a
>>>>new edition of his Internet report was due shortly and that if they
>>>>contracted with him for security assessments, he would not include their
>>>>names in the new report as needing security upgrades.The Fashion Centre is
>>>>owned by the Simon Property Group, and Landmark and Tysons Galleria are
>>>>owned by General Growth Properties Inc.Mr. McNulty said mall officials
>>>>asked
>>>>Kerodin to provide the names of other clients for references or to supply
>>>>credentials for persons who worked for his company. He refused, saying he
>>>>did not need
>>>>experience to be an expert in counterterrorism. None of the malls hired
>>>>him.In July, Kerodin published the report, which criticized several area
>>>>shopping malls for being vulnerable to terrorist attacks, specifically
>>>>criticizing the Fashion Centre, Landmark Mall and Tysons Galleria. Mr.
>>>>McNulty said Kerodin recontacted officials at Simon and General Growth by
>>>>letter and threatened to release similarly negative reports on 14 other
>>>>properties that the companies owned.An agent from the Department of
>>>>Homeland
>>>>Security posing as a mall executive then contacted Kerodin, telling him
>>>>the
>>>>malls had hired another security company and asking that they not be
>>>>included in additional reports. The agent also offered Kerodin $40,000 to
>>>>be
>>>>left out of any new reports.Mr. McNulty said Kerodin rejected the offer
>>>>and
>>>>demanded $122,500. He then was arrested.&amp;quot;This defendant took
>>>>advantage
>>>>of
>>>>the heightened
>>>>concern we all have to protect ourselves from terrorism. It is
>>>>reprehensible
>>>>that someone would exploit that concern for personal gain,&amp;quot; Mr.
>>>>McNulty
>>>>said.Huh. I guess their definition of &amp;quot;law-abiding&amp;quot; is
>>>>quite a
>>>>bit
>>>>different than is mine. And, I feel soooo much better (not!) that it's
>>>>his
>>>>wife Holly, rather than convicted felon Christian Kerodin himself, who is
>>>>listed with the Idaho Secretary of State as a &amp;quot;member or
>>>>manager&amp;quot;
>>>>of III
>>>>Arms Company, LLC:http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/W116214.html
>>>>I
>>>>highly recommend checking out (one of) Kerodin's blogs. Here's a
>>>>sample:http://iiipercent.blogspot.com/2013/01/in-absence-of-orders-go-find-something.html
>>>>In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.I borrowed
>>>>the
>>>>title from WRSA.
>>>>
>>>>I think you will see this phrase again on this blog.
>>>>
>>>>If we are Citizen Soldiers, a Leaderless entity, or small groups of
>>>>Patriots
>>>>who have installed a command structure among themselves, but otherwise
>>>>answer to no central command, then it is incumbant upon each of us to
>>>>shoulder our portion of the burden and act independantly.
>>>>
>>>>In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill it.
>>>>
>>>>You'll know when. You already know who. You should know where they are in
>>>>your AO.
>>>>
>>>>You know what is Evil.
>>>>
>>>>You know what it is going to take to backfist the Tyrants out of our lives
>>>>for the next few generations. Fight to the knife, and knife to the hilt...
>>>>
>>>>Standing Orders: In the absence of orders, go find something evil and kill
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>Kerodin
>>>>III Wow - that's just the kind of dude I want as an Idahoan!!! Is that,
>>>>and
>>>>a lot of other vitriol he's written, &amp;quot;hate&amp;quot;? Rather than
>>>>recount
>>>>a lot of
>>>>details, an article providing lots of interesting background was just
>>>>published:http://politicker.com/2013/01/meet-the-men-who-want-to-build-an-armed-castle-commune-for-patriots/James
>>>>L. Miller is many things, a motorcycle enthusiast, accused online scammer,
>>>>doomsday prepper, gunmaker and cat lover. Christian Kerodin also wears a
>>>>number of hats; he is an air conditioning repairman, blogger, author,
>>>>self-styled security consultant and convicted extortionist. Both men also
>>>>seem to be the masterminds behind a plan to build a massive, armed
>>>>survivalist compound in Idaho that has been making national
>>>>headlines.According to the website of the Citadel, it will be a
>>>>&amp;quot;community
>>>>of 3,500 - 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who voluntarily
>>>>choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of
>>>>Rightful Liberty&amp;quot; and is being planned for Northern Idaho. Among
>>>>other
>>>>things, the designs for the Citadel include a &amp;quot;perimeter
>>>>defense&amp;quot;
>>>>with
>>>>castle-style fortified walls and towers, an on-site gun factory, hotels,
>>>>schools, a &amp;quot;firearms museum,&amp;quot; a &amp;quot;town
>>>>militia,&amp;quot; jail
>>>>and farmer's market. As
>>>>of now, the community is planned for Benewah County in Northern Idaho.
>>>>Prospective residents of the Citadel are asked to submit to an application
>>>>process that includes agreeing to participate in the militia and pass
>>>>periodic proficiency tests with multiple types of
>>>>firearms.&amp;quot;Marxists,
>>>>Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that
>>>>life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and
>>>>preferred lifestyles,&amp;quot; the website says.Though the Citadel
>>>>website
>>>>claims
>>>>the group has no &amp;quot;leader&amp;quot; and is
>>>>the work of &amp;quot;scores of Liberty-loving individuals,&amp;quot; it
>>>>appears
>>>>Mr. Miller
>>>>and Mr. Kerodin are two of the main forces behind the project. The roman
>>>>numeral in the community's name seems to be derived from &amp;quot;III
>>>>Percent
>>>>Patriots,&amp;quot; a blog operated by Mr. Kerodin where the early
>>>>discussions
>>>>were
>>>>held planning the Citadel's design and potential locations. An entry on
>>>>Mr.
>>>>Kerodin's personal website describes the meaning of the term &amp;quot;III
>>>>Percent
>>>>Patriots.&amp;quot;&amp;quot;Historians consider that about 3 percent of
>>>>Americans
>>>>took arms
>>>>and challenged the King during the Revolution. 3 percent. III Percent.
>>>>Threepers. Patriots. We exist today,&amp;quot; Mr. Kerodin wrote.
>>>>&amp;quot;We are
>>>>that
>>>>percentage of Americans who have the tools and mettle of the Militiaman
>>>>who
>>>>stand and have drawn a hard line for the Hard Right of the political
>>>>spectrum.&amp;quot;Along with his political activities, Mr. Kerodin has
>>>>also
>>>>worked
>>>>as a repairman for
>>>>heating and air conditioning systems. In 2002, Mr. Kerodin started a
>>>>security consultancy. The following year, he printed an eight-page
>>>>analysis
>>>>of terrorism weaknesses at shopping malls in the Washington D.C. area.
>>>>According to reports from the time, he subsequently contacted mall
>>>>operators
>>>>in the area and told them they would be included in other similar analyses
>>>>if they did not hire him to conduct security assessments. A concerned
>>>>company contacted the Secret Service who had an undercover agent contact
>>>>Mr.
>>>>Kerodin who allegedly agreed to keep the business out of his reports after
>>>>accepting a $120,000 check. He was arrested and indicted for an extortion
>>>>charge to which he plead guilty. Mr. Kerodin was sentenced to 30 months in
>>>>prison for the crime and an associated firearms charge. As a federal
>>>>felon,
>>>>Mr. Kerodin cannot own a weapon, but on his website, he says he is
>>>>&amp;quot;exploring&amp;quot; legal
>>>>avenues to &amp;quot;recover&amp;quot; his &amp;quot;firearms
>>>>rights.&amp;quot;In one of
>>>>the Citadel planning
>>>>posts on Mr. Kerodin's blogs, a commenter using an online alias linked to
>>>>Mr. Miller, &amp;quot;Millerized,&amp;quot; offers to bring his
>>>>&amp;quot;firearm
>>>>smithing&amp;quot; skills to
>>>>the community. &amp;quot;Millerized,&amp;quot; is also one of the authors
>>>>of the
>>>>Citadel blog.
>>>>In addition to being his online alias, &amp;quot;Millerized&amp;quot; was
>>>>also the
>>>>name of a
>>>>company previously by Mr. Miller that originally made motorcycle parts.
>>>>Last
>>>>October, Millerized began doing business as &amp;quot;III Arms.&amp;quot;
>>>>The III
>>>>Arms website
>>>>describes it as a firearms company &amp;quot;dedicated to building
>>>>first-class
>>>>fighting arms for the defense of Jefferson's Rightful Liberty.&amp;quot;
>>>>III
>>>>Arms
>>>>will have a factory inside the Citadel's walls that is planned to be the
>>>>prime source of revenue and employment for the project's early residents.
>>>>Mr. Miller is identified on LinkedIn as the &amp;quot;president&amp;quot;
>>>>of III
>>>>Arms.In
>>>>addition
>>>>to Mr. Miller's business activities, he has an extensive digital trail
>>>>that
>>>>includes &amp;quot;Millerized's&amp;quot; participation in sites for
>>>>self-described
>>>>doomsday
>>>>&amp;quot;preppers&amp;quot; and survivalists. On one of these forums,
>>>>Millerized
>>>>describes
>>>>work done in his house where he has multiple cats. A web page tied to Mr.
>>>>Miller's name and address is also identified as having participated in
>>>>so-called &amp;quot;phishing&amp;quot; scams on a site dedicated to
>>>>identifying
>>>>these
>>>>fraudulent attempts to obtain personal information.As of this writing,
>>>>neither Mr. Miller or Mr. Kerodin have responded to multiple requests for
>>>>comment on this story. However, Mr. Miller seems to be enjoying the
>>>>attention the Citadel has recently received. A Facebook page that seems to
>>>>belong to Mr. Miller features pictures of customized military fatigues
>>>>with
>>>>the III Arms logo and the words &amp;quot;Millerized&amp;quot; and
>>>>&amp;quot;Patriot.&amp;quot; It also includes
>>>>a picture of one of
>>>>the Citadel's more prominent media mentions, a headline about the
>>>>community
>>>>on the Drudge Report accompanied by the following caption from Mr.
>>>>Miller:&amp;quot;We are now huge.&amp;quot;For those interested in
>>>>learning more,
>>>>remember
>>>>Google is your friend, but be prepared to shower frequently. What's that
>>>>saying? Oh, yeah, &amp;quot;A fool and his money are soon
>>>>parted.&amp;quot;
>>>>Personally, I
>>>>prefer to take the &amp;quot;scam&amp;quot; perspective because the
>>>>alternative is
>>>>enough to
>>>>chill the bones of any person with connected brain cells. Saundra
>>>>LundMoscow, ID To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards
>>>>out
>>>>of men.~ Abraham Lincoln From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:50 PM
>>>>To: keim153 at gmail.com
>>>>Cc: vision 2020; rhayes at frontier.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group Darrell,
>>>>
>>>>I agree, though I have to add that someone posted about them last month; I
>>>>think it was Tom.
>>>>
>>>>SunilDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:28:26 -0800
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
>>>>From: keim153 at gmail.com
>>>>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I am the original poster of this topic. I never called it a hate group.
>>>>I
>>>>called them survivalists. I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to a
>>>>hate
>>>>tagline. What say you, Roger?On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil
>>>>Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:I'm with Roger on this.
>>>>Maybe
>>>>they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know that they're a hate group.
>>>>
>>>>What is the evidence behind that claim?
>>>>
>>>>SunilDate: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100
>>>>To: thansen at moscow.com; keim153 at gmail.com
>>>>From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate groupI do not know anything about
>>>>this group, but how does anyone know that they are a hate group? A little
>>>>bit wako probably, but not necessarily a hate group.Roger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
>>>>From: &amp;quot;Tom Hansen&amp;quot;
>>>>To: &amp;quot;Darrell Keim&amp;quot;
>>>>Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16How's this for
>>>>&amp;quot;freedom&amp;quot;&amp;quot; My father
>>>>was a POW in
>>>>Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of WW2. I am convinced
>>>>that he experienced less isolation than the freedom-loving residents of
>>>>the
>>>>Citadel.Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . . &amp;quot;Moscow
>>>>Cares&amp;quot;http://www.moscowcares.com/ Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
>>>>&amp;quot;There's room at
>>>>the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to
>>>>smile
>>>>as you kill
>>>>If you want to be like the folks on the hill.&amp;quot; - John Lennon
>>>>On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Goodie. So it will be like Bo Gritz &amp;quot;Almost Heaven&amp;quot;
>>>>near Kamiah.
>>>>Wonderful.On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, rhayes at frontier.com
>>>><rhayes at frontier.com> wrote: The Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed
>>>>this &amp;quot;group&amp;quot; as a couple of guys with a computer who are
>>>>trying
>>>>to drum up a
>>>>following and bilk those who take the bait of cash.
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