[Vision2020] hate group

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Mon Jan 14 17:28:34 PST 2013 

Can you spell "Bo Gritz?"


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Warren Hayman <whayman at roadrunner.com>wrote:

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> I admit I chuckled at the area code price.
>
> Warren Hayman
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com>
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2013 4:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] hate group
>
> It will never come to fruition.  A bunch of people will be bilked out of
> $208.00, while the "organizer" nets a nifty profit.
>
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> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:52:52 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: thansen at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] hate group
>
> I guess I don't get the Citadel hate on this forum.  It's basically a
> gated community for firearms geeks who want to provide themselves a higher
> level of defense.  It's an interesting idea, and I hope it works for them.
>
> It's their land, their rights, their time and sweat and labor.  More power
> to them.  It's an experiment, and I'm interested in how it turns out.
>
> Paul
>
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> *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>
> *Cc:* "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2013 10:37 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] hate group
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>   <http://www.facebook.com/IIICitadel?ref=stream>
>   III Citadel <http://www.facebook.com/IIICitadel?ref=stream>
>  Our Community:
> The Citadel project has been an amazing experience. The community we have
> created in a very short time is incredible. A group of dedicated
> volunteers, working together on a project we truly believe in. Creating the
> future that we want instead of waiting around for the future to just happen
> to us.
>
> When I first heard about the idea, I was hooked. It's the type of thing
> that I might daydream about but not ever consider as a real possibility.
> Even something as modest as the idea James Rawles had in his book
> "Patriots", a small group of friends buying property together in northern
> Idaho was more than I could hope to achieve.
>
> As I look at the comments, the thing that really jumps out at me is the
> number of people who think this isn't just a good idea or an interesting
> idea but a life changing idea.
>
> Read the rest at our blog here: http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2013/
> 01/our-community.html<http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2013/01/our-community.html&h=jAQGqa_jDAQFcSSP2uPRyPNjVpdpgn-LacgOIeJ1NK1_HoQ&s=1>
>  <http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2013/01/our-community.html&h=lAQHx8wg7&s=1>
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> <http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2013/01/our-community.html&h=TAQHjuRBA&s=1>
> *III Citadel Blog: Our Community*
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> <http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2013/01/our-community.html&h=TAQHjuRBA&s=1>
> iiicitadel.blogspot.com
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> <http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2013/01/our-community.html&h=TAQHjuRBA&s=1>
> The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of
> Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live
> amongst one another, and have sworn our lives, our fortunes and our Sacred
> Honor to defend one another and Liberty.
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> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
>  Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>
> wrote:
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>   Agreed. Not a hate group per se. And I am certain that this sort of
> cloister would only attract the finest racially/culturally tolerant folks.
>
>   *From:* "vision2020-request at moscow.com" <vision2020-request at moscow.com>
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:50 PM
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>   1. Re: Another hate group (Sunil Ramalingam)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:50:12 -0800
> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> To: <keim153 at gmail.com>
> Cc: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>, rhayes at frontier.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
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> Darrell,
>
> I agree, though I have to add that someone posted about them last month; I
> think it was Tom.
>
> Sunil
>
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:28:26 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
> From: keim153 at gmail.com
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
>
>
> I am the original poster of this topic.  I never called it a hate group.
> I called them survivalists.  I think Roger Hayes changed the subject to a
> hate tagline.  What say you, Roger?
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <
> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm with Roger on this. Maybe they're complete nut jobs, but I don't know
> that they're a hate group.
>
> What is the evidence behind that claim?
>
> Sunil
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:36:50 +0100
>
> To: thansen at moscow.com; keim153 at gmail.com
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
>
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; rhayes at frontier.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
>
>
> I do not know anything about this group, but how does anyone know that
> they are a hate group?  A little bit wako probably, but not necessarily a
> hate group.Roger
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Another hate group
> From: "Tom Hansen"
>
> To: "Darrell Keim"
> Date: 01/13/13 23:12:16
>
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> How's this for "freedom""
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> My father was a POW in Stalag Luft IIIA during the last year and a half of
> WW2.  I am convinced that he experienced less isolation than the
> freedom-loving residents of the Citadel.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like
> the folks on the hill."
>
>
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Goodie.  So it will be like Bo Gritz "Almost Heaven" near Kamiah.
> Wonderful.
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, rhayes at frontier.com <rhayes at frontier.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> The Southern Poverty Law Center has dismissed this "group" as a couple of
> guys with a computer who are trying to drum up a following and bilk those
> who take the bait of cash.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "vision2020-request at moscow.com" <vision2020-request at moscow.com>
>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:47 AM
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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho (Darrell Keim)
>   2. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho (Tom Hansen)
>
>   3. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho
>       (Joe Campbell)
>   4. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho
>       (Darrell Keim)
>   5. Re: Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in Idaho
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>       (Darrell Keim)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:19:39 -0800
> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
>
>     Idaho
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> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>
>
> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas Jefferson's
> "Rightful Liberty."
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> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
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> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:25:51 -0800
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
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> To: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
>     Idaho
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> Ya mean this one?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/atmvfdr
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> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top of
> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
> >
> > They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
>
> >
> > http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
> >
> > Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:31:48 -0800
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
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> To: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
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> >From the link below: "The job opportunities and array of industries that
> will come with our Citadel project should be sufficient to put the entire
>
> county to work thereby eliminating unemployment and reducing the existing
> double-digit poverty level to zero." Pretty bold set of claims!
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> > Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top
> of
> > a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
> >
> > They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
>
> > Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
> >
> > http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
> >
> > Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
>
> >
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:42:11 -0800
> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
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> To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
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> Yep-That's the one!  Always good to have our little slice of heaven in the
> national media, right?
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> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Ya mean this one?
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/atmvfdr
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >
> > "Moscow Cares"
>
> > http://www.moscowcares.com/
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> >
> > - John Lennon
> >
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> > Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on top
> of
> > a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
> >
>
> > They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> > Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
> >
> > http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
>
> >
> > Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
> >
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> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:46:58 -0800
> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
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> To: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Oh Goodie: Another Survivalist Community in
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> Agreed.  And they'll start with a firearms factory.
>
> Have you read their Patriot Agreement?  They sure do think weapons
> proficiency is patriotic!
>
> Whole thing reads wacky to me.  Makes me want to laugh, ala The Colbert
> Report Tom linked.  But, so did the Aryan Nations before they actually went
> ahead and set-up a compound...
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
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> > From the link below: "The job opportunities and array of industries that
> > will come with our Citadel project should be sufficient to put the entire
> > county to work thereby eliminating unemployment and reducing the existing
>
> > double-digit poverty level to zero." Pretty bold set of claims!
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Anyone heard of this groups plans for building a walled community in
> >> Benewah county? They claim to have already purchased twenty acres on
> top of
> >> a mountain, with a goal of 3000 more.
>
> >>
> >> They call themselves The Citadel, claim to be practicing Thomas
> >> Jefferson's "Rightful Liberty."
> >>
> >> http://iiicitadel.com/location.html
>
> >>
> >> Thier web page makes for some "interesting" reading.
> >>
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