[Vision2020] Dorner and Gun Control

[Joe Campbell]

Thanks for the comments -- Jeff (which I agree with totally) and Matt. As
Jeff suggested, I'd have been better off leaving out the gun control
issues, so I'll do that for now!

My apologies to the LAPD. I didn't mean to demean them. My point was --
rather -- even skilled, respected officers can make mistakes. Thus, guns
are dangerous. It is really so hard to accept that guns are dangerous? Can
we all just accept that and continue the debate from that point? Or do I
have to argue that guns are dangerous?

Certainly how folks are raised and mental health have something to do with
gun violence, too. But how much control do we have over how people are
raised? Do you want to pass laws to ensure that parents raise their
children correctly? That seems wrong. Should we incarcerate the insane?
Fine. Get the taxes to fund it. Democrats can't. Maybe we can put the
insane in prison. We seem to be willing to pay for that. You've spotted the
problems, perhaps, but what is the solution?

Either you think gun violence is a problem or you don't. I think it is a
problem. Then the matter is how to deal with it. You say the problem is bad
parenting or insanity. Others say video games. But does that tell us how to
deal with it? Can we keep the number and accessibility of guns the same,
but get rid of video games, and then the problem will go away? Of course
you don't think that. Nor did you suggest it. But what did you suggest? How
do you think we should solve this social problem of gun violence? Or do you
think it is not a problem?

Thanks and hope you are well Matt -- and Jeff.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Granted it's late, but a couple of thoughts Joe.
>
> -LAPD? Really? I have a couple of good friends on the force down there. To
> imply that the majority of the boys in blue are nothing but humble and
> unselfish is downright degrading.
>
> -Any gun in the wrong hands creates mayhem. It doesn't matter what type.
>
> -what guns? Pistols? Or the AR 15s that killed about 300 last year. 11,000
> killed last year.
>
> -When will we look at society and how we are raised instead of blaiming
> everyone else. Raise your kids proper.
>
> -Mental health
>
> -Just imagine if a pissed off ex-cop can do this, what would a battalion
> of former Marines do when they get pissed? Lack of VA support and taking
> away the rights they fought for.
>
> -How is it that no one on this site ever talked about Chris Kyle? The guy
> is a hero and yet not one  post? Whitney Houston gets half mass, but not
> Kyle?
>
> Granted Joe, not all these are addressed to you but just venting.
>
>
> That's it for now.
>
> MD
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:02:18 -0800
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Dorner and Gun Control
>
>
> I'm watching the Dorner episode unfold and reading the V2020 posts, and it
> is pretty clear no one knows what is happening at this point. Is he dead?
> Not clear now, according to CNN.
>
> Keep in mind that this one man with a few guns worked skilled, trained
> police officers into a frenzy. How many innocent victims were shot? I don't
> remember.
>
> But what I do know is that skilled, trained police officers with guns are
> a menace -- under the right unfortunate circumstances. People blame the
> cops but what would you do? How would you react to a situation in which you
> were a target? I'm guessing, not very well. Me either.
>
> And you say guns are safe? If they are in the right hands? What hands are
> those? Not the LA police.
>
> Guns are always a risk. That's why gun control is worthy of consideration.
> Even skilled, trained police officers can be a menace if the circumstances
> are unforgiving.
>
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