[Vision2020] So, you think our borders need tightening, huh?

[Joe Campbell]

This is all reasonable. We should loosen the standards to what they were when my grandparents came over, when we were welcoming the chance to give folks an opportunity. That is my view.

If I had a party, I'd try to invite everyone. Obviously in my case there are space limitations, so I can't do that. But that's not the case with the USA. 

I see Democracy as one big, social party. You want to invite as many as possible. We don't have a problem killing people to get them on board. We shouldn't have a problem inviting them in.

Maybe I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

Joe

On Aug 31, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think I fully grasp the behavior in this case.  They're in a shit hole of a country that borders the richest country on the planet.  Thus they're trying to cross by any means necessary.  If they're crossing illegally, I don't necessarily find that to be immoral and I'd likely do the same thing if I was in their same situation and could convince my conscience that breaking United States immigration laws was ethically justifiable.  I find the idea of jet skis to be quite the opposite of stupid.  It's quite resourceful.  It's also relatively expensive and the chances of success are likely low.  I certainly don't begrudge anyone for fleeing their screwed up homeland and going to the land of milk and honey and I can also understand that same land of opportunity securing its borders to better enforce its immigration policy.  In terms of 'considering' legal entry, the trend is heading more towards 'forcing' legal entry.
> 
> 'So, you think out borders need tightening, huh?'
> 
> Answer: Yes
> Justification: To prevent widespread illegal entry
> 
> CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; jeannemchale at hotmail.com; fritzknorr at gmail.com
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] So, you think our borders need tightening, huh?
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:18:57 -0700
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> 
> Here's what I think. When you get a group of people who are united by race, origin, gender, or sexual preference and they behave in a similar fashion, and they end up doing something that you regard as immoral or just plain stupid, then likely there is a reasonable explanation for their behavior that you have not fully grasped. To think otherwise is to invite prejudice. Not that you're prejudiced but it would be hard to prevent an argument for that conclusion given your comments.
> 
> On Aug 31, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Looks like the borders have been tightened quite nicely if the would be illegals are now resorting to trying end arounds via jet skis.  At some point maybe they'll consider entering the country through legal channels.  What a concept!!!
> 
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:52:33 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> CC: jeannemchale at hotmail.com; fritzknorr at gmail.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] So, you think our borders need tightening, huh?
> 
> Courtesy of San Diego News Video at:
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> TWO PULLED FROM OCEAN AFTER BORDER ENTRY ON JET SKI
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> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
>  
> 
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