[Vision2020] ketogenic diets

[Art Deco]

@Paul,

Do you think that eating a high fat diet for years might have caused the
condition Atkins died of?  Perhaps you should read a little about the long
term effects of high fat diets, those high in "bad" fats like beef fat.

w.


On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:40 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> Mediterranean may be misleading as one might think of a lot of pasta. Not
> the case. The DASH diet is similar. One should eat whole grains and a
> minimum of processed or high carb. foods. The more color the better
> (blueberries etc.), eat legumes and nuts.
>
> Roger
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> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Art Deco" <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>, "Paul
> Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Date: 08/30/13 17:58
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ketogenic diets
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> I would not recommend any of the diets you mentioned for long term. the
> Atkins diet can lead to health problems in the long term. It is especially
> dangerous for any one with kidney problems. For overall good heath I would
> recommend the Mediterranean Diet or something close to it. In other words a
> diet with lots of variety, high in fruits and vegetables, vegatable oil
> such as Olive, some fish, a small amount of red meat, and low fat dairy
> products.
>
> Roger
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: "Art Deco" <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: 08/30/13 17:02
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ketogenic diets
>
> I've seen this claim before.  Here is what snopes says:
> http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp
>
> When he went in to the hospital because of head injuries he sustained from
> a fall outside of his clinic on April 8, 2003, he weighed 195 pounds.  When
> he died after being in a coma 9 days later on April 17, 2003, he weighed in
> at 258 pounds.
>
> I doubt he gained 60 pounds in 9 days on the Atkins diet while in a coma.
> A quote from the spokesperson for the Atkins Physician Counsel:  "During
> his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention
> and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at **258 pounds*
> * at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over **60 pounds."
> **
>
> Paul
>
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> *From:* Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2013 3:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] ketogenic diets
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> To see how well it worked long term for Atkins himself read about his
> condition at his death and how his widow (an interesting story in itself)
> tried to suppress the photos and evidence of what a bloated pig he was at
> his death.
>
>
> w.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> Is anyone out there on, or have been on, a ketogenic (low carb) diet like
> Atkins, Zone, South Beach, etc?  Did it work for you?  Did you run into any
> problems?
>
> I'm in my third week of a low carb diet, losing around 2-3 pounds a week.
> I'm shooting for less than 20g of carbs a day, which basically means no
> breads, no potatoes, no pasta, and no sugar-laden anything.  For those
> unfamiliar with the reasoning behind being on one, you basically have to
> look at your weight problem not as a calories in vs calories out problem,
> but one involving fat storage mechanisms.  Carbs and sugars cause an
> insulin response, and insulin is what triggers your body to store fat.
> Avoiding carbs and getting your calories from fat and protein doesn't cause
> insulin spiking or insulin resistance, which allows your body to shed the
> excess pounds.  It also fixes your appetite so you are not hungry all the
> time and eat less.
>
> So far I'm feeling great on the diet, but I just want to know if someone
> has tried it and grown a extra eye or something.
>
> Paul
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