[Vision2020] Huh?

Fri Aug 30 12:08:40 PDT 2013

We can do better at treating people with more compassion, respect, and
understanding. Tom's not perfect, I'm far from perfect, and in fact none of
us are as good as we can be. We should all strive to be better. Most of the
advice that you pass along to Tom can be generalized -- to me, certainly,
but others as well. Thus, constantly directing it at one particular person
to the exclusion of others defeats the message, IMO.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I agree Joe.  The best we can hope for from Tom is an apology and every
> once in a blue moon (and we had one this month), Tom delivers.
>
> Let's see what kind a good advice that Scott Dredge wrote to Tom last
> December that Tom ignored:
>
> 'My own opinion is that you repeatedly jump to conclusions time and time
> again and never learn that things aren't always as they appear.  It gets a
> little old after many decades.  Maybe dig a little deeper instead of
> constantly shooting from the hip.'
>
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2012-December/087985.html
>
> For a guy who repeatedly ballyhoos 'evolution', Tom is living proof of
> someone who doesn't evolve, doesn't adapt, doesn't learn.  I find this to
> be ironic.
>
> Tom ironically advises others to 'Grow up'.
> Tom ironically advises others to 'Take your meds'.
> Tom ironically suggests to others that they're having trouble with 6th
> grade reading comprehension.
> Tom ironically suggests to others that they're having trouble with the
> English language.
>
> 'Leave Tom alone.  Tom's a nice guy.  Tom's a well respected and beloved
> member of the community.  Tom's a Democrat.'  I don't dispute any of that.
> I just don't particularly like when Tom calls someone else's integrity into
> question.
>
> On the topic of integrity.  Tom's definition of integrity of is 'SAY WHAT
> YOU MEAN and MEAN WHAT YOU SAY' and he wrote in thread last September where
> he then gave a real life example of his own demonstrating that he did the
> exact opposite of what he said.  To quote Tom, 'Draw your own conclusion.'
>
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2012-September/085545.html
>
> For what it's worth, I don't think Tom lacks integrity.  He lacks common
> sense, but we'll all just need to continue powering through that and
> whenever we see subject headings of 'Huh?' and 'Say What?', we know from
> past experience that Tom has taken some sound bite out context and jumped
> to conclusions like he always does and we'll just need to set the record
> straight again.  And again.  And again.
>
> I had no doubt that Dan would accept Tom's apology.  He accepted it in one
> sentence.  He would have accepted it if Tom's apology had been one
> sentence.  From what I can tell, Dan's not the type to carry any grudges or
> any chips on his shoulders like others on the viz do.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:06:40 -0700
> From: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
> I agree. What does that have to do with my post? A post that had nothing
> to do with Mr. Carscallen, nothing to do with jumping to idiot conclusions,
> and definitely nothing to do with atonement?
>
> g
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Gary: He made a mistake and immediately apologized. Maybe you are perfect
> but the rest of us make mistakes. The best we can hope is for an apology
> when we do.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> I  think you should reread my post, pop open a dictionary, and try and
> work on your vocabulary.
> At no point in the post you refer to was there any "atoning" going on.
> Trust me, I was there.
>
> g
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> I could have copped out with the lame excuse of being "snarkie", since
> humor was the intent of my posting.
>
> As one Viz subscriber so appropriately atoned earlier today:
>
> "I'm not the person taking others to task for snarkiness, salty language,
> or calling attention to items in the news such as death threats. I'm much
> more a fan of the anything goes model of internet discourse."
>
> But, I sought a more responsive ground and apologized, because . . .
>
> Although the intent of my posting was mere humor, I could understand why
> some could (and would) take offense to the mistakenly implied disrepect in
> the sarcastic tone of my comments.
>
> Yes.  I did apologize to Dan Carscallen off-list.  With Dan's permission,
> I would be willing to share that apology publicly here on the Viz.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> <Although, all I had to go on was what was in front of me.>
> Understandable to jump to conclusions when only drawing from scant
> information and prejudice.  Hopefully Dan will accept your apology.  He's a
> stand up guy.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:36:27 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Huh?
>
> My apologies to Dan Carscallen for misinterpreting the Facebook commentary.
>
> I have been advised that . . .
>
> 1)      Dan Carscallen was picking up a young person who has either been
> injured or overindulged and they needed a ride to the hospital for
> treatment.
>
>
> 2)      A resident if the dorm pulled a fire alarm and Dan Carscallen, as
> Fire Command, needed to reset the alarm system.
>
> Again, my apologies to Dan "Area Man" Carscallen for my wrongful and
> inappropriate interpretation.  Although, all I had to go on was what was in
> front of me.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Courtesy of Facebook.
>
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>
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>
> Is this to suggest that Dan Carscallen was in a sorority (or fraternity)
> between midnight and 3 AM where "well, there was booze"?
>
> Draw your own conclusion.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
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