[Vision2020] Welfare vs Minimum Wage

[Tom Hansen]

Social Security is NOT welfare.

Not everyone is entitled to receive social security.  Only those who have "paid into the system" are eligible.

You can have the Social Security Office estimate your individual entitlements at:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/estimator/

However, if (after browsing the Social Security site) you are still convinced that Social Secrity is nothing more than welfare, and you remain adamantly against welfare, you can always refuse to accept Social Security . . . unless you are not entitled because you never "paid into the system", possibly because you never had a job.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com
  
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still 
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon
 



Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com
  
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still 
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon
 


On Aug 23, 2013, at 3:45 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Social Security isn't welfare. People pay into it and get it back later on.
> 
> From: Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Welfare vs Minimum Wage
> 
> Social Security is welfare.  Although most of us have paid into it, it is was a tax and not a contribution to a personal account.  The rules can and have been changed to decide who is eligible and for how much.  
> 
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> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> Mr. Crabtree -
> 
> Define "people capable of working".  
> 
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.moscowcares.com/
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
>  
> 
> 
> On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> "So if someone id 90 years old and could be a WalMart greeter, they should not get social security?"
>> Why do you attempt to blur social security and welfare?
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So if someone id 90 years old and could be a WalMart greeter, they should not get social security?
>> 
>> How do you determine who is capable of working given whatever employment opportunities exist and what constraints a person maybe under (where they live, transportation available, health, etc)?
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I think it was the wording.  I think he read "restrict welfare payments to" as "limit welfare payments to", thinking you meant that only those who could work would get the payments.  What I presume you meant was more akin to "reduce welfare payments to", meaning that if you are capable of working you should get less of a pay out.  
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> From: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
>> To: Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> 
>> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Welfare vs Minimum Wage
>> 
>> Do you truly think that is what I was trying to convey?
>>  
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So children, the elderly, and the disabled would not be eligible?
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Or better yet, restrict welfare payments to people capable of working.
>>  
>> g
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Easy solution:  Raise the minimum wage.
>> 
>> w.
>> 
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>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Here's an article right up the alley of Fox News.  Time once again to beat up on welfare moms and cast no blame upon deadbeat dads.
>> 
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/21/study-in-most-states-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-job/
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