[Vision2020] GPS Tracking and Secret Policies

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Tom,  

You and I are in agreement on all these things, it appears. Obama disagrees with our views, and continues policies we oppose. And as long as we support politicians who embrace these policies, they'll have no reason to change their positions.

We've used drones back to follow up and attack rescuers who come to the aid of drone attack victims. We've sent them to attack funerals of those victims. Is it necessary to say Obama specifically uses drones to attack civilians, including children? I don't think so.

Sunil

CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
From: thansen at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GPS Tracking and Secret Policies
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:14:50 -0700
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com

Sunil -
I totally oppose "extraordinary rendition" as defined by your link/source:
"Beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to this day, the Central Intelligence Agency, together with other U.S. government agencies, has utilized an intelligence-gathering program involving the transfer of foreign nationals suspected of involvement in terrorism to detention and interrogation in countries where -- in the CIA's view -- federal and international legal safeguards do not apply. Suspects are detained and interrogated either by U.S. personnel at U.S.-run detention facilities outside U.S. sovereign territory or, alternatively, are handed over to the custody of foreign agents for interrogation. In both instances, interrogation methods are employed that do not comport with federal and internationally recognized standards. This program is commonly known as 'extraordinary rendition.'"
By simply transferring control of a prisoner to a third-party nation where certain restrictions do not apply, so that techniques (in violation of the Geneva Convention) may be applied, DOES NOT release those U.S. government agencies from responsibilities associated with those techniques.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
 

On Aug 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:




Renditions 

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/fact-sheet-extraordinary-rendition

continue under Obama, as they did with Bill Clinton and Bush II:

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-01-01/world/36323571_1_obama-administration-interrogation-drone-strikes



CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
From: thansen at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] GPS Tracking and Secret Policies
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:54:14 -0700
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com

Sunil inquires:
Do you support the following:
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-Using drones to kill children, civilians, US citizens without due process;
I totally, and without hesitation or qualification, oppose the use of drones "to kill children, civilians, US citizens", as I hope everybody does.
I do, however, support the use of drones as a means of reconnaissance and use as a defensive weapon to ensure the security and safety of our troops.
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-Allowing the Bush Administration torturers to escape prosecution;
I seriously believe in and support proseution of those torturers to the maximum extent allowable.  There is a special place in Hell for those who apply the technique of water-boarding.
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-Instead prosecuting and imprisoning people who reveal information about that torture regime;
The individuals that publicly expose those torturers, and the methods they apply (in violation of the Geneva Convention), should be applauded (NOT prosecuted).
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-the Patriot Act;
As I am not totally knowledgable of the Patriot Act, I am unqualiied to evaluate it in its entirety.  Although, I do TOTALLY OPPOSE warrantless searches.
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-rendition;
Huh?
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-continuing and enlarging the Bush programs to illegally spy on citizens;
You would have to define "spy".  
If, by "spy", you mean warrantless wiretapping of personal communication devices and installing videotaping equipment on private property, i am in total opposition.
If, by "spy", you mean law enforcement personnel following a person around town or across the nation, my only question of them would be, "What hotels do you recommend?"
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-lying to the public about those programs

I oppose lying, Sunil
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Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon 

On Aug 18, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

Do you support the following:

-Using drones to kill children, civilians, US citizens without due process;
-Allowing the Bush Administration torturers to escape prosecution;
-Instead prosecuting and imprisoning people who reveal information about that torture regime;
-the Patriot Act;
-rendition;
-continuing and enlarging the Bush programs to illegally spy on citizens;
-lying to the public about those programs 		 	   		  
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