[Vision2020] City Council Stifles Debate

Sat Apr 6 10:05:42 PDT 2013

Yeah, Tom, I saw the meeting.  In fact I watched the whole thing go down
live from my living room.  Including the part near the middle where the
mayor blames me for giving the council the idea and orchestrating the whole
ordeal behind the scenes.

Which just isn't true, other than making the suggestion in an email.

Dead horse done being beaten on my end, as we'll never see eye to eye
because you are so blinded by your hatred of me and my positions that you
can't even begin to fathom that we may actually have common ground on
issues... which I think we actually do.

But you've never bothered to ask nor get to know me.

So with that I say good day and good riddance to you sir.

HDJ

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> This democracy thing really has you spoofed, huh Mr. Johnston?
>
> Cutting off the people's voice simply because they are in the minority.
>  What an EFFED-UP way to go through life.
>
> Have you watched the video?
>
> The blame rests totally with Dan Carscallen.  He was merely supported by
> Steed and Krauss.
>
> Just watch the first few minutes of the opening.
>
> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CRLreZu8yv8&feature=plpp
>
> Note to Mr. Johnston:  Do us both a favor and lose my email address, ok?
>
> 'Nuff said.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Henry D. \"Hank\" Johnston" <
> hearseboy85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tom:
>
> The vote was 6-0, so it wasn't just 3 council members who are responsible.
>  Had the question been called, it takes a super majority of council members
> to proceed to a vote.
>
> Tom Lamar, Sue Scott and/or Tim Brown could have voiced additional
> concerns and forced public testimony.  Had that not worked and the question
> been called it would have required a 4-2 vote to force the question.  If it
> went 3-3 then the Mayor could have broken the tie (though not necessary as
> a supermajority is required).
>
> Don't put the blame strictly on Carscallen, Steed and Krauss. If you want
> to be pissed at someone, be pissed at the WHOLE council, not just 3.
>
> HDJ
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>> The complaint IS NOT about discrimination, Mr. Johnston.
>>
>> It has to do with a people's right to voice their opinion.  Or didn't you
>> pick up on that during this past week's postings?  People attended the
>> April 1st city council session because they were informed that they would
>> be afforded an opportunity to express their opinion ("for" or "against")
>> concerning the non-discrimination ordinance and resolution; a right denied
>> them by Council members Dan Carscallen, Walter Steed, and Wayne Krauss.
>>  Mayor Chaney reiterated, at the opening of the discussion, that the people
>> should be allowed (at that session) to voice their opinions.
>>
>> NOW do you get it?  Or do you need another dead horse?
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>> - John Lennon
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:50 AM, "Henry D. \"Hank\" Johnston" <
>> hearseboy85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tom, et. al.
>>
>> I really hate to beat a dead horse here, but I cannot imagine why, in
>> this day and age, we even need to have a discussion about discrimination or
>> even if discrimination is “right” or “wrong”... which would have been the
>> core discussion on Monday.  The pro-ordinance crowd would decry the plight
>> of the GLBT community (also gonna take a guess that most of them are
>> heterosexual... actually kinda insulting to me that our progressives in
>> this town think they know what I've "gone through"... but thats another
>> topic) and the anti-ordinance crowd would have preached that God forbids
>> homosexuality (along with trimming one's beard but Gresham Bouma is always
>> cleanshaven... hmmmmm).... and you know what?
>>
>> We would have arrived. At. The. Same. Conclusion.
>>
>> Discrimination is wrong, we all know that, and what more would have come
>> of public comment on Monday night?
>>
>> Nothing. Nada. Zip.
>>
>> It was a 6-0 vote people... take it as a victory and move on!
>>
>> HDJ
>>
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