[Vision2020] Say What!?!

Tue Sep 25 21:24:03 PDT 2012

Considering that the government is now admitting that the attack in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, I've been amazed that all day all of you have continued to argue that the video was responsible for the attack and those killings.

Do all of you really believe that the video, standing alone, is the reason for the demonstrations? Yes, certainly it's a big part of it. But you don't think that bombing the shit out of Muslim civilians has nothing to do with it? Is it possible that our victims are, oh, somewhat perturbed by being killed regularly by us?

No, that can't be it. Douthat tells us that. The Daily News ed board tells us that. No, it's the silly Muslims. They just act nutty.

Yes, the video does really piss them off. But it's just the match. We've been pouring gasoline all over the place, and this may have set it off, but it is not the only reason for it.

Sunil

Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:18:19 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: thansen at moscow.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!

What point are you trying to make?  That the filmmakers were attempting to kill those four individuals via murder-by-extremists?  That's about as whacko as blaming a comedian for somebody choking to death because they were eating when they laughed at one of his jokes.  It seems that everyone is frantically trying to lay the blame anywhere but at the feet of the extremists that let some stupid YouTube trailer whip them into a killing frenzy.  I'm confused as to why that is.

Paul

        From: Tom Hansen
 <thansen at moscow.com>
 To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!

Inciting to riot . . . resulting in the deaths of four Americans . . . instigated by a video manufactured and released . . . right here in the Nifty Fifty?
Hmmm.
'Nuff said.

Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares"http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 
On Sep 25, 2012, at 4:52 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Not to mention the fact that the Libyans that did this didn't attack the film producer, Google executives, actors in the movie, or the guy that uploaded it to YouTube.  No, they decided that justice would
 be served best by killing the ambassador of the country that the person happened to live in when he put together the film and uploaded the trailer for it.  To stretch your analogy a bit, it would be like being blamed for walking into a bar in L.A., insulting people that live in Niger, and having some innocent person half-way around the world get killed for it.  While at the same time arguing about what a tragedy it is to say such things in bars in L.A.

Paul

        From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
 To: thansen at moscow.com 
Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!

It's a poor comparison since there are two completely different jurisdictions where the violence would have occurred (Los Angeles, CA, USA vs Libya).  It's further a poor comparison because one is 'in your face' and one is youtube video.  It's nonsensical to think that you can try and hide behind First Amendment rights for damage / injury that result from your direct provocation and there would be witnesses who could take the stand against you in criminal / civil trials.

CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
From: thansen at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What!?!
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:35:38 -0700
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com

Which law(s) do(es) my suggested activity violate that the showing of "Innocence of Muslims" doesn't?

Seeya round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow
 Cares"http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students.  The college students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 

On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Tom Hansen wrote:
> 'The first amendment legally permits me to go into the Backdoor (a bar in south
> central Los Angeles) and say, "Fu*k you, nig*r!"

The first amendment does not permit you to do this.  Where do you get the idea that it does?

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