[Vision2020] Beating dead horses
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed May 30 17:51:11 PDT 2012
How about going with Barry Goldwater "Either fight a war to win it or don't fight it at all"
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 08:25:27 -0700
To: "'Wayne Price'" bear at moscow.com, "'Donovan Arnold'" donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Beating dead horses
> Wayne Price inquires:
>
>
>
> “How about staying home and minding our own business? “
>
>
>
> We tried that once, Mr. Price, immediately following World War 1. It seems
> we simply could not turn our backs on the expansion of Nazism in Europe.
>
>
>
> Perhaps political isolationism would be more appropriate.
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Wayne Price
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:17 AM
> To: Donovan Arnold
> Cc: vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Beating dead horses
>
>
>
> How about staying home and minding our own business?
>
>
>
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr. Price,
>
>
>
> What specific policy do you think the US should instigate that will result
> in zero innocent casualties, or less casualties than we currently inflict,
> about 250 a year, according to Human Watch.
>
>
>
> Donovan J. Arnold
>
>
>
> From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> Cc: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Beating dead horses
>
>
>
> Sunil,
>
>
>
> It's right next to the section that talks about it being OK to invade the
> sovereign territory of another country, either by sending in troops, or
> aircraft, or just bombing them, and because it's the United States, it's NOT
> an act of war!
>
>
>
> It wasn't right when the Bush Administration did it, it's not right now, and
> it won't be right if a Romney Administration does it, God forbid! One of
> the big issues as I see it is that once you loose the moral high ground in
> the so called "War on Terrorism", you can't get it back, and we appear to
> have lost it years ago.
>
>
>
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2012, at 6:03 AM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Chuck (or is it Chick?)
>
> I'm looking for the section in the Constitution that says the President, on
> his own say so, can kill US citizens, without due process. Where is it?
>
> Here's Greenwald on this issue, yesterday:
>
> http://www.salon.com/2012/05/29/obama_the_warrior/singleton/
>
> Here's something to be proud of: "Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for
> counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect
> counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to
> several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence
> posthumously proving them innocent." (From this other Greenwald article
> yesterday:
> http://www.salon.com/2012/05/29/militants_media_propaganda/singleton/ )
>
> Yep, if we killed them, they must have been militants, unless someone proves
> otherwise, after they're dead. Of course, when we send drones back to kill
> rescuers and mourners, it may be hard to prove the innocence of the murder
> victims. And we should believe the state, because Obama's president, right?
> If he says it, it must be true? How many Obama supporters took the same
> position when Bush was president?
>
> How can we 'eliminate al Quaeda' when every time we blow up people, we help
> them recruit?
>
> Sunil
>
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:59:39 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> To: ckovis at turbonet.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Beating dead horses
>
> Mr. Kovis,
>
>
>
> It concerns me that you don't know the difference between an opinion piece
> and an article strictly written with
>
> empirical facts backed by several sources for accuracy. One is subjective,
> and the other is objective.
>
>
>
> You can post 100s of opinion pieces by anti-war, anti-Obama, or anti-current
> US policy writers, it doesn't substantiate your claims that Obama is
> targeting innocent civilians.
>
>
>
> "When he applies his lawyering skills to counterterrorism, it is usually to
> enable, not constrain, his ferocious campaign against Al Qaeda - even when
> it comes to killing an American cleric in Yemen, a decision that Mr. Obama
> told colleagues was "an easy one."
>
>
>
> This is not the full truth, which makes it a lie.
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaed
> a.html> If you read the article which the opinion writer is referring to,
> you would see that Obama has only targeted 15 Yemen with American ties, all
> plotting an attack on American soil. It doesn't matter if someone is a
> cleric from Mukalla, Yemen, or Moscow, Russia, or Moscow, Idaho, if they are
> plotting to kill Americans in the United States or elsewhere, I say more
> power to the President to bring a drone plane down on their head.
>
>
>
> It appears to me, you reject any policy the US has of eliminating Al Qaeda,
> an organization that plotted, funded, and executed 3,000 American civilians,
> including children, and would do it again given a chance.
>
>
>
> Donovan J. Arnold
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Chuck Kovis <ckovis at turbonet.com>
> To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:32 PM
> Subject: Beating dead horses
>
>
>
> From the New York Times via Reader Supported News:
>
> "In interviews with The New York Times, three dozen of his current and
> former advisers described Mr. Obama's evolution since taking on the role,
> without precedent in presidential history, of personally overseeing the
> shadow war with Al Qaeda. They describe a paradoxical leader who shunned
> the legislative deal-making required to close the detention facility at
> Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, but approves lethal action without hand-wringing.
> While he was adamant about narrowing the fight and improving relations with
> the Muslim world, he has followed the metastasizing enemy into new and
> dangerous lands. When he applies his lawyering skills to counterterrorism,
> it is usually to enable, not constrain, his ferocious campaign against Al
> Qaeda - even when it comes to killing an American cleric in Yemen, a
> decision that Mr. Obama told colleagues was "an easy one." " (My emphasis)
>
> I opposed Democrat Lyndon Johnson and the Vietnam War. I oppose Democrat
> Barack Obama and the Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Iran Wars. When you have
> a constitutional law professor saying that it is "an easy one" to kill a
> fellow U.S. citizen without what passes now days for "due process," don't
> expect me to go along with it. I find it disgusting that more people in
> this country don't have the guts to put a stop to this at the ballot box.
> As a country, we will never learn, when a former SDS'er is an apologist for
> a President who says the decision to kill a fellow human being and fellow
> American citizen is easy. Chuck Kovis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ======================================================= List services made
> available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse
> since 1994. http://www.fsr.net <http://www.fsr.net/>
> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com================================================
> =======
>
> =======================================================
> List services made available by First Step Internet,
> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> http://www.fsr.net <http://www.fsr.net/>
> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> =======================================================
>
>
>
>
> =======================================================
> List services made available by First Step Internet,
> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> http://www.fsr.net <http://www.fsr.net/>
> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> =======================================================
>
>
>
>
>
More information about the Vision2020
mailing list