[Vision2020] Vandal sports

Thu May 3 05:58:37 PDT 2012

Donovan, 

You may have missed it in Chris' first sentence:

"football revenue"

DC

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:36 AM
To: Love America
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports

Chris,

I am not sure why diversity and opportunities would suffer at UI by
returning to the Big Sky, nor did your response state why. I am 100% for
Title IX, always have been. 

My understanding, however, whenever I looked into the situation while at UI,
was that UI athletics always cost the UI more in revenues than it ever
brought in and football only helped to offset those huge expenses. If this
is so, I would surmise the shrinking of UI athletics would reduce costs to
the UI overall and allow more minority students an opportunity to attend UI
than athletics. Further, it would be minority students attending college for
their academic achievements and talents rather than their ability to throw,
catch, hit, or kick a ball. Many of those students would then be more likely
to go on as graduate students which generate additional revenues for the UI
assisting professors with their research. 

So I see reducing athletics and returning to Big Sky as an opportunity to
win and reduce costs, while at the same time promoting diversity and
academic opportunities. 

Donovan J. Arnold

From: Love America <skialaska0 at gmail.com>
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com 
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports

Donovan,

If Idaho were to go back to the Big Sky, UI would have to cut women's
programs plain and simple.  Whether you like it or not, football revenue and
Title IX compliance are why women's programs are doing so well at UI.  I
suspect soccer would go first, followed by women's golf.  Men's and women's
swimming would be cut next and probably some track scholarships are lost.
Heck, I  wish the Vandals have had better success at WAC football, but at
least the pain on the gridiron (with a couple of great years in the midst)
has allowed hundreds of athletes to attend the UI who would not have had a
chance if the UI was still in the Big Sky.  Those scholarships have helped
with diversity, have added to the richness of the university, and have
introduced 100's of fine people to Moscow that would have not been there.
I love winning like anyone else, but I know that in the end having these
opportunities for these fine students outweigh the win/loss record of any
football team.

Thanks
Chris

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Leaving the Big Sky was a big mistake, and we need to put money into women's
programs. Lady Vandals KICK ASS! Have always been a league above the rest.
They were 3rd in the nation in Rodeo when I was there. Not many know that. 

Donovan J. Arnold

From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com> 
Cc: "<vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:35 PM 

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandal sports

As much of a die-hard Vandal as I am and as much of what remaining in
Division 1A may mean to the UI Athletic Program, the boys of Bozo State,
coupled with the loss of UI's "Flagship" moniker, have taught me one
valuable lesson . . .

It simply is NOT that important!

Boise State is a prime example of what can happen if your priorities are
messed up.  Boise State has been a four-year college since the 60s.
Although their football program has become a national Division 1A contender,
their academic program remains at tier 3 along with a majority of northwest
community colleges . . . not one PhD program and very few masters programs,
while the University of Idaho has evolved into a nationally competitive tier
1 source of higher education and possesses a wide variety of many graduate
programs.

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho 
(UI '96, Information Systems)

"If not us, who?
If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On May 2, 2012, at 11:08, Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com> wrote:

> I've brought this subject up before, but recent conference shuffling
events really seem to have put U of Idaho athletics in a very hard place.
No Division 1 conference seems to want the Vandals.  I just saw a Facebook
poll asking which of three options respondents would prefer given the
circumstances.  1.  Try playing as a D-1 independent, which would probably
mean about three home games a year while hoping for an eventual conference
invitation.  2.  Play, again, in the Sun Belt (teams in Louisiana,
Tennessee...) to stay D-1.  If the Sun Belt wanted Idaho.  3.  Swallow pride
and return to 1-AA and the Big Sky.  So far in the Facebook poll, the Big
Sky leads comfortably.  Any thoughts?  Or is it even a concern outside of
the hard core fans?
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