[Vision2020] Something you need to know

Wed May 2 21:15:20 PDT 2012

I do not see where it has to be ran by the state. Leave  it to the individual for maximum freedom. If someone wants contraption or domestic pardner coverage, they can buy it. I they don't they do not have to. That way no ones religious beliefs are compromised.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: Nicholas Gier ngier006 at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 17:44:17 -0700
To: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Something you need to know

> Hi Roger,
> 
> Your idea about private insurers competing to bring down costs is the key
> principle of the state insurance exchanges in the Affordable Care Act.  Why
> is your GOP trying to kill an idea based on the free market?
> 
> Nick
> 
> A society grows great when old men plant the seeds of trees whose shade
> they know they shall never sit in.
> 
> -Greek proverb
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Donovan Arnold <
> donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Mr. Hansen,
> >
> > To which authority do you suggest I report these unethical but lawful
> > actions to? Do I call the police to report a non-crime?
> > Do I call an EMT, the fire department, the consumer protection agency?
> > Or perhaps Batman and Robin? Maybe Mr. Wayne's utility belt has
> > a pharmacology kit that dispenses prescription medications? He can swing
> > from roof top to roof top of nursing homes administering life enhancing
> > prescriptions to little old ladies denied by their insurance companies.
> >
> > I have spent the better part of the last 15 years doing all I can for
> > persons with disabilities, in advanced age, and the economically
> > disadvantaged. I am sorry that is not enough for you Mr. Hansen. If I knew
> > how to do more, I certainly would try. Aside from registering as a member
> > of the Idaho Republican Party, please tell me what you are doing for them
> > lately that I should be doing too?
> >
> > Donovan J. Arnold
> >
> >   *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > *To:* Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
> > *Cc:* Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; Moscow Vision2020 <
> > vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:43 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Something you need to know
> >
> >  Sue -
> >
> > I am NOT encouraging Mr. Arnold to file a by-name complaint.  I (very
> > much) respect people's privacy.
> >
> > I am merely suggesting that if these ethical problems, mentioned by Mr.
> > Arnold, exist and persist, he should shine the light of day on them by via
> > the media or by reporting them to the authorities.  This can be
> > accomplished without mentioning patients' names.
> >
> > Sitting on one's butt, doing nothing, accomplishes just that . , ,
> > NOTHING!
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "If not us, who?
> > If not now, when?"
> >
> > - Unknown
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 2, 2012, at 11:18, "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> >    Hey there.  HIPPA is about more than losing ones job.  Folks who work
> > in the medical community are not only violating the law but violating the
> > ethics of their chosen profession when they discuss medical conditions of
> > their patients.  Donovan, you are right to withhold that information, but
> > what you have written is important nonetheless.  I am my daughter’s
> > guardian so I can release her information, and I can tell you, despite the
> > fact she is on Medicaid and to this point has received most of her
> > medications at no cost or with a small co-pay, she has a pharmaceutical
> > drug bill every month.  I worry each time I open the envelope she’ll have
> > lost something else.  She is uninsurable... and in the past year she has
> > lost state support for counseling, vision, hearing aids, dental (yes, it
> > has been restored but I can’t find a local dentist who will accept it,) and
> > we have now been told she will be losing support for job coaching which has
> > kept her employed for the past fifteen years.  Our three legislators fought
> > a valiant fight for her during the past session when her budget was cut by
> > more than 30%, and were told she wouldn’t be losing any more benefits.
> > That is proving to be not true.
> >
> > Register as a Republican?  Not now, not ever.
> >
> > Sue H.
> >
> >  *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:45 AM
> > *To:* Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > *Cc:* Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Something you need to know
> >
> >  Let me see if I have this right . . .
> >
> > I am being deceitful and critically crippling my integrity by voting
> > Republican in this year's primary.  But you (Donovan Arnold) are sanctified
> > for not reporting to proper authorities, or at least the media, that you
> > have been instructed to withhold medications from residents of hospices,
> > nursing homes, and assisted-care facilities BECAUSE YOU ARE AFRAID OF
> > LOSING YOUR JOB ? ?
> >
> > Here is my suggestion:  Grow an EFFING pair ! !
> >
> > Jeesh!
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "If not us, who?
> > If not now, when?"
> >
> > - Unknown
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 1, 2012, at 7:25, Donovan Arnold < <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >   I see it everyday at my job. We are told to HOLD medications for that
> > reason. But sorry, HIPPA prevents me from sharing personal information
> > about any person. Ask any person that assists in medication distribution
> > at a nursing or assisted living facility. Or you can call a big pharmacy
> > and ask a pharmacist if they ever cut medications off from people that have
> > fallen behind on payments or their insurance agencies stop paying them.
> >
> > Donovan Arnold
> >
> >   *From:* Tom Hansen < <thansen at moscow.com>thansen at moscow.com>
> > *To:* Donovan Arnold < <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > *Cc:* Moscow Vision2020 < <vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:02 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Something you need to know
> >
> >  Mr. Arnold -
> >
> > Do you have ANY evidence to support your claim?
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "If not us, who?
> > If not now, when?"
> >
> > - Unknown
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 1, 2012, at 6:43, Donovan Arnold < <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com><donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >   I just thought I would let you all know, if you didn't know already,
> > that people living in nursing and assisted living homes are cut off from
> > medications they need to live or have a normal life because they don't have
> > the money to pay. It is really f**king barbaric. But are government allows
> > it. To me there could be nothing Christian about a country that cuts off
> > medications needed by little 90 year old ladies and men that costs only a
> > few cents to manufacture. Don't count on having your needs met when you are
> > old and unable to take care of yourself anymore if our health care system
> > doesn't change drastically and soon. There is a good possibility that you
> > will be treated as trash once your productive years are gone and you don't
> > put crisp $100 bills in some greedy bastard's pockets.
> >
> >
> > Donovan Arnold
> >
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