[Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v. Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)

Tue Jun 26 08:39:17 PDT 2012

Or, scrutiny of a rather ugly example of Betrug from the usual perpetrators.

Rose Huskey

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:58 AM
To: Sunil Ramalingam
Cc: vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)

One can't help but think that this entire subject line comes down to a
rather ugly example of schadenfreude from the usual subjects.

g

ooh ooh ooh, can I say who they are boss? Can I? Huh, huh, can I?

From: Sunil Ramalingam <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>  

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:38 PM

Cc: vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>  

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)

Tom, 

Yes, there are either criminal or civil cases in our legal system. I just
don't know what claim you think Paul would have against you; I can't think
of anything. Granted, I'm not trying very hard, but I doubt he has any
reason based on this exchange.

And I too wondered why you posted Hoffman's information here. 

Sunil

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From: thansen at moscow.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:49:14 -0700
To: godshatter at yahoo.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)

I was not referring to a criminal complaint.  

There are two litigious "roads" in the Nifty Fifty (USA); one marked
"criminal" and one marked "civil".  Right, Sunil?

To heck with it!  I am truly beginning to tire of your 6-year-old antics of
responding to every posted explanation with your infantile "why".

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?

If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Jun 25, 2012, at 18:36, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

I never said I thought it was illegal, just not very nice.

Paul

On 06/25/2012 06:25 PM, Moscow Cares wrote:

Mr. Rumelhart -

You certainly spend an inordinate amount of time on. Topic of which you
claim that you have no interest.

Furthermore, and FINALLY, if you feel that I am invading somebody's privacy,
I suggest that you grow the proverbial "pair" and file a complaint.

'Till then, I suggest you buckle up and hold on . . . 

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?

If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Jun 25, 2012, at 18:01, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

You've spent a lot of time denigrating my character, yet I'm not the one
posting someone's address on this list.  You've also spent a fair amount of
time guessing my views on this subject, but have fallen far from the mark.
I don't have an opinion about this case, because it's simply a contract
dispute.  You don't know who is right and who is wrong, and neither do I.
Nor do I really care.  I just don't like to see someone's address posted as
a sly sort of "this is where he lives, if you want to talk to him, he's at
this address".  People should be able to feel secure in their own homes
without complete strangers confronting them about a private matter.  This
used to be considered unethical on this site, but that appears to be true
only when they aren't somehow connected to Doug.

But, whatever.  It's been posted and the toothpaste can't be put back in the
tube.  I'd just like to naively suggest that folks leave this guy in peace.
People who don't belong to this lawsuit don't have any reason to confront
this guy, and people involved in this lawsuit will hopefully have been
briefed by their lawyer not to do so.

Paul

On 06/25/2012 05:41 PM, Art Deco wrote:

Well Paul, let's make a guess.  You have been taking instruction from
"regular guy" (and deadbeat) Douglas Wilson entitled "Logic Without
Imagination" or something similar.

Just because someone would like a little face time with Hoffmann does not
mean they want to bully him or beat him up.  Of course without imagination,
it is difficult for you to think of other alternatives.  You might try it as
an exercise in Non-Wilsonian Logic.

Also the lack of imagination traps into restricting the interested parties
to V2020 members.  That is not so by a long shot.  Items from v2020 are
frequently forwarded to non-members, and in Hoffmann's case, probably some
of this forwards go to Bend and Redmond, Oregon.

You appear to have either no enterprise values and/or completely ignorant of
the milieu of which the Germer deadbeat action is a bit of.  I doubt that
anyone on the list wishes to take the time and effort to let you in on the
big non-secrets given your past actions as an ardent apologist for Wilson.

I had thought that we would be chastised by Gary Crabtree, But so far, not.
But whatever other views Crabtree may have, he is a believer in enterprise
and a businessman who provides and warrants his goods and services and
expects to be paid promptly for them.  Hence it is not unreasonable to
assume that he also abhors deadbeats.  It is highly probable that Crabtree
also knows Larry Germer and would not be adverse to hearing his side of the
story directly from him.

w.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
wrote:

Glad to hear it.  What was your intent?

Paul

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From: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>

To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com"
<vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:06 PM 

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)

I really don't feel it necessary to explain to Mr. Rumelhart that my
intention was neither bullying nor to encourage physical confrontation.

'Nuff said.

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?

If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Jun 25, 2012, at 15:57, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Is that why Mr. Hansen posted his address?  So people on this list could
find him and confront him physically?

No thank you.

Let the courts work it out and leave the 5th grade bullying behind.  It's a
private matter between two companies.

I swear, any mention of Doug Wilson or Christ Church and you guys leave your
common sense locked in a drawer somewhere.

Paul

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From: Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v.
Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)

@Paul:

Sorry to report neither the world nor v2020 revolves around you.  However,
there is a strong probability that a number of people or their agents would
like a little face time with Hoffman.

w.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

Paul Rumelhart inquires:

"Now that you've posted this gentleman's address on this list, what is it
that you would like me to do with this information?"

Can I tell him what to with it, Wayne?  Huh?  Can I?  Can I?

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"If not us, who?

If not now, when?"

- Unknown

On Jun 25, 2012, at 14:01, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Now that you've posted this gentleman's address on this list, what is it
that you would like me to do with this information?

-- 
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art.deco.studios at gmail.com

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