[Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc. v. Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)

Art Deco art.deco.studios at gmail.com
Mon Jun 25 18:45:01 PDT 2012 

Paul writes:

"People who don't belong to this lawsuit don't have any reason to confront
this guy, and people involved in this lawsuit will hopefully have been
briefed by their lawyer not to do so."

Wrong.

Once a matter enters the court, it is public business.  Not only the
subject matter, but questions of the conduct and fairness of the court
itself.

Your statement is just another of your repeated attempts at censorship of
topics to be discussed on this forum.  As such, it is bound to fail.

You ignorance leads you to assume those interested in Hoffmann are only
parties to this case.  Wrong.  Hoffman was involved in a number of other
didos while here and in Bend, Oregon.

Yous also write:

"I don't have an opinion about this case, because it's simply a contract
dispute.  You don't know who is right and who is wrong, and neither do I.
Nor do I really care."

Do you think that Germer has just made the whole thing up?  Have you read
the pleadings including the answers?  Do did you find any substantive
denial of Germer's claim except ignorance = "Defendant is without
sufficient knowledge ..."?

 Do you not think large bad debts, especially in a small community in a
recessionary period is a matter of public interest?  Do you not think
discussion of this and similar cases provides a warning to be careful about
to whom credit is extended to by businesses and individuals?

Do you expect that everyone has the same attitude as you -- "Nor do I
really care" -- and we should therefore stop posting about it?  You sound
like the Michigan legislature who recently silenced a member for using the
word "vagina".

Since you have not figured it out, all of the postings of Hoffmann's
various addresses come from internet sites open to anyone with the wit to
search.  Posting them here in the manner in which they were may only save
someone a little effort.  It also serves as a reminder to deadbeats that
you can run, but cannot hide.

This suit has yet to make the *Daily News *although a $40,000 suit against
the Local Winco appeared last week.  The *Spokesman-Review* prints notice
of civil suits in their public Records section, and it covers in a
professional journalistic manner, the civil suits for larger amounts.
Since the *Daily News* has abdicated its journalistic responsibility and
ethics in this matter, the public is forced to learned about it through
alternative sources such as V2020, coffee klatches, back fence chit chat,
etc..

w.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> You've spent a lot of time denigrating my character, yet I'm not the one
> posting someone's address on this list.  You've also spent a fair amount of
> time guessing my views on this subject, but have fallen far from the mark.
> I don't have an opinion about this case, because it's simply a contract
> dispute.  You don't know who is right and who is wrong, and neither do I.
> Nor do I really care.  I just don't like to see someone's address posted as
> a sly sort of "this is where he lives, if you want to talk to him, he's at
> this address".  People should be able to feel secure in their own homes
> without complete strangers confronting them about a private matter.  This
> used to be considered unethical on this site, but that appears to be true
> only when they aren't somehow connected to Doug.
>
> But, whatever.  It's been posted and the toothpaste can't be put back in
> the tube.  I'd just like to naively suggest that folks leave this guy in
> peace.  People who don't belong to this lawsuit don't have any reason to
> confront this guy, and people involved in this lawsuit will hopefully have
> been briefed by their lawyer not to do so.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 06/25/2012 05:41 PM, Art Deco wrote:
>
> Well Paul, let's make a guess.  You have been taking instruction from
> "regular guy" (and deadbeat) Douglas Wilson entitled "Logic Without
> Imagination" or something similar.
>
> Just because someone would like a little face time with Hoffmann does not
> mean they want to bully him or beat him up.  Of course without imagination,
> it is difficult for you to think of other alternatives.  You might try it
> as an exercise in Non-Wilsonian Logic.
>
> Also the lack of imagination traps into restricting the interested parties
> to V2020 members.  That is not so by a long shot.  Items from v2020 are
> frequently forwarded to non-members, and in Hoffmann's case, probably some
> of this forwards go to Bend and Redmond, Oregon.
>
> You appear to have either no enterprise values and/or completely ignorant
> of the milieu of which the Germer deadbeat action is a bit of.  I doubt
> that anyone on the list wishes to take the time and effort to let you in on
> the big non-secrets given your past actions as an ardent apologist for
> Wilson.
>
> I had thought that we would be chastised by Gary Crabtree, But so far,
> not.  But whatever other views Crabtree may have, he is a believer in
> enterprise and a businessman who provides and warrants his goods and
> services and expects to be paid promptly for them.  Hence it is not
> unreasonable to assume that he also abhors deadbeats.  It is highly
> probable that Crabtree also knows Larry Germer and would not be adverse to
> hearing his side of the story directly from him.
>
> w.
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>  Glad to hear it.  What was your intent?
>>
>>  Paul
>>
>>    ------------------------------
>> *From:* Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
>>  *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com" <
>> vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2012 4:06 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc.
>> v. Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)
>>
>>  I really don't feel it necessary to explain to Mr. Rumelhart that my
>> intention was neither bullying nor to encourage physical confrontation.
>>
>>  'Nuff said.
>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>>  Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>  "If not us, who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>>  - Unknown
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 15:57, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Is that why Mr. Hansen posted his address?  So people on this list
>> could find him and confront him physically?
>>
>>  No thank you.
>>
>>  Let the courts work it out and leave the 5th grade bullying behind.
>> It's a private matter between two companies.
>>
>>  I swear, any mention of Doug Wilson or Christ Church and you guys leave
>> your common sense locked in a drawer somewhere.
>>
>>  Paul
>>
>>    ------------------------------
>> *From:* Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>
>> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2012 3:39 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Case No. CV-2011-1234 (Germer Const., Inc.
>> v. Greensides Inc, Wilson, Gray, and Hoffman)
>>
>> @Paul:
>>
>> Sorry to report neither the world nor v2020 revolves around you.
>> However, there is a strong probability that a number of people or their
>> agents would like a little face time with Hoffman.
>>
>> w.
>>
>>  On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Paul Rumelhart inquires:
>>
>>  "Now that you've posted this gentleman's address on this list, what is
>> it that you would like me to do with this information?"
>>
>>  Can I tell him what to with it, Wayne?  Huh?  Can I?  Can I?
>>
>>  Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>>  Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>  "If not us, who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>>  - Unknown
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 14:01, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Now that you've posted this gentleman's address on this list, what is
>> it that you would like me to do with this information?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>> art.deco.studios at gmail.com
>>
>>
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