[Vision2020] About Evidence

[Art Deco]

Part of this did not make it V2020.  Sorry for the slip up.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>wrote:

> Addendum:
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> Here is one case of millions of cases where using fantasy instead of
> knowledge leads:
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> http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/17/world/asia/pakistan-taliban-polio-vaccine/index.html
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> w.
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> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Reply to Joe on values:
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>> I agree that there is no final way to prove a value.
>>
>>  However, in discussions of values facts play an important, if not
>> indispensable role.  Values change as knowledge increases.  Obvious
>> examples:  Treat mental health problems with therapy rather than
>> stigmatizing them and attribute their cause to be possessed by devils, or
>> understanding that in part at least, gender sexual preference has a
>> genetically determined element.
>>
>> Values are also determined in part by considering the consequences of
>> such values.  Many consequences or probabilistic, fact like statements.
>>
>>
>> I am surprised that Joe has not pointed out to Donovan that all his
>> responses commit the fallacy of Begging the Question or Circularity
>> (assuming what you are trying to prove in some form or other).
>>
>>
>> *However*, the point for the genesis of this whole thread is an answer
>> to the question:  On what basis should decisions be based:  Knowledge
>> claims for which verifiable evidence can be adduced to support, guess, or
>> fantasy?
>>
>> The underlying issue is the freedom to act in accordance with what is at
>> any given time the most accurate knowledge claims. Claims, for example, in
>> ancient writings that same gender marriage cannot be allowed according to
>> some unverifiable, untestable, basically incomprehensible bogeyman in the
>> sky is an unjustifiable abridgement of personal freedom forcing decisions
>> to be made on superstition and fantasy, not knowledge.
>>
>> A corollary:  Evangelistic Libertarianism is an oxymoron.
>>
>> w.
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>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Donovan Arnold
>>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I see your Sam Harris and raise you a Jesus H. Christ.
>>>
>>> > If interested, you can read about Him in the New Testament. It is a
>>> best
>>> > seller.
>>>
>>> I've read it. Parts of it were pretty good.
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